Where are Kelly & Thomas?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by redsk1

Rodgers oline broke down and he found every receiver on the roster.

He also did it in what some would call "garbage time", which is useful for discrediting the accomplishments of players you don't like.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

He also did it in what some would call "garbage time", which is useful for discrediting the accomplishments of players you don't like.

Ah yes the garbage time, I guess Phillip Rivers is guilty of garbage time TDs.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Ah yes the garbage time, I guess Phillip Rivers is guilty of garbage time TDs.

He should be cut immediately.

[hail_2_da_skins]

Originally Posted by redsk1

Rodgers oline broke down and he found every receiver on the roster.

The Packers offensive line looked worse than the Redskins. Rodgers was getting pressure from the outside and up the middle. When he did get time, he did a great job of spreading the ball around, but their offensive line sucks or the Vikings defensive line is the best in the league. Rodgers looked like Campbell on a few plays, holding on the ball too long, taking unnecessary sacks and fumbling the ball on contact. I guess even the good quarterbacks fumble the ball and throw interceptions when pressured. According to this site, only Jason Campbell makes mistakes when he is under fire.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by hail_2_da_skins

The Packers offensive line looked worse than the Redskins. Rodgers was getting pressure from the outside and up the middle. When he did get time, he did a great job of spreading the ball around, but their offensive line sucks or the Vikings defensive line is the best in the league. Rodgers looked like Campbell on a few plays, holding on the ball too long, taking unnecessary sacks and fumbling the ball on contact. I guess even the good quarterbacks fumble the ball and throw interceptions when pressured. According to this site, only Jason Campbell makes mistakes when he is under fire.

I totally agree and yes the Vikings d-line (similar to the Giants) and defense as a whole is that good. Good QBs make mistakes also. If some people can remember when we played the Giants. Manning had a similar line to JC's. He had a fumble and a int in that game also. In the game against KC he had a fumble also. Dont know about the rest of his line in that game. But even good QBs on undefeated teams make mistakes.

Do some recall what happened when Coughlin got to New York. How people were saying the same things about Eli Manning as they were about Campbell (difference is Eli had more years under his belt -- allowed to make mistakes and grown-- and so did his brother for that matter). How they started off rough. Can anyone tell me what happened after that? Not saying that JC is Eli or we are the Giants. But there are alot of similarities. The difference is between our FO and theirs. They stuck with Eli. Instead of embarassing him by trying to get other QBs in the offseason one after another. The difference in their FO and ours is they have balls. The fans might have been angry. But if they had caved in they would have never went to the Superbowl. People want to carve JC up and tear him down as much as they can. What other QB in this league has gone through what JC has as far as instabilty? He might not be perfect but he is not horrible. We can break down game tape or whatever. But maybe we just need to believe in him instead of being overly critical. Maybe that will help him get over the hump. But some people are too spoiled and unrealitisc. He is still growing as a QB. What if NY had given up on Eli and you know he was getting it from the fans as much as JC was. But the FO believed in him. Nobody believes in JC but his teammates and coaches. The fans that used to support him are falling off too. But in the end. I root for the underdog. He has been nothing but a model player and a good example to children and other people. He could have easily been a little whiny diva of a player. He may not be the best. But he is the best we got. IF he got more support maybe he would do better because he would be under less pressure and when you believe in people they can excel far beyond your expectations. Okay I am off my soap box now..lol

[GhettoDogAllStars]

A list of well-known wide receivers who didn't top 1000 yards until their third year, or later:

Santana Moss
Steve Smith
Donald Driver
Terrell Owens
Derrick Mason

Of course there are the freaks who immediately produce, but if that's what you demand, then you are asking too much. Give our young WRs at least 1 more year before you are ready to kick them to the curb. Impatience is what drives our endless cycle of FA acquisitions, draft neglect, and ultimately our continued mediocrity. Chill out fools!

[JGisLordOfTheRings]

I was at the game and some of Kelly and Thomas not getting the ball is on JC's bad reads. On the last interception he threw, he had Kelly in the slot on the left and he BLEW past his guy and was wide but JC was locked on Moss and made an awful decision.

I like JC, but his inability to read the field is killing us.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by JGisLordOfTheRings

I was at the game and some of Kelly and Thomas not getting the ball is on JC's bad reads. On the last interception he threw, he had Kelly in the slot on the left and he BLEW past his guy and was wide but JC was locked on Moss and made an awful decision.

I like JC, but his inability to read the field is killing us.

Ditto. Watched the game from the end zone viewpoint and me and the other 20 people I was watching the game with could see guys being missed all day long. There were WRs in single coverage all over the place, but Campbell wasn't going to them. Instead, he was forcing the ball into double coverage or going to the route that was 5-15 yards in the middle of the field. Even when passes were completed, the receivers had nowhere to go, because there were 2-4 Defenders in their vicinity.

And the separation argument is a joke. It assumes every Defense plays us man to man every play of the game. Watch other teams and you'll see receivers running to spots in the zone defense and the ball getting there at the same time.

[skinsguy]

Isn't funny that through all of our off season moves to get fresh new help for Santana Moss and Chris Cooley, our leading receivers are still Santana Moss and Chris Cooley.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Isn't funny that through all of our off season moves to get fresh new help for Santana Moss and Chris Cooley, our leading receivers are still Santana Moss and Chris Cooley.

Painfully funny

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Isn't funny that through all of our off season moves to get fresh new help for Santana Moss and Chris Cooley, our leading receivers are still Santana Moss and Chris Cooley.

I made that point earlier. So we are back to the point where we were before we drafted Kelly and Malcom. Some people are not getting that. Like it was said at the beginning of the season. Our success is hinged on whether one of the receivers steps up. We also thought our defense would be much better than what it is. I think we will surprise a few people by the end of the year. We have a few more games and a bye week. I think we will work some of these kinks out. We are 2-2 not 0-4. If we were then I would definitely panic.

To add to that our running game is suffering. CP may or may not have lost a step. But I remember him racing against Laron Landry in OTAs and them coming up as a tie. Not so much he has lost a step. But he is nicked up and we ran him into the ground. More about injury that being older (Rock & Betts are older than CP). Not to mention our patchwork O-line. So we might even be worse off than we were last year or the year before. Are people taking these factors into consideration? I just think we will right the ship. We just need to have a little faith and patience. Just a little.

[JLee9718]

Right, I want to see Marko in for a change.

[dmvskinzfan08]

I was just thinking about something. Remember when we had Brunell and he was constantly throwing the ball away? I woudl give JC a little credit in the aspect because even though he might not throw the ball away. He throws it to a receiver. They might not make the first down by getting that extrea but atleast its not a lost play and is a positive yardage play. Only thing I will say about that though is JC needs to have better ball security. But that can be worked on.

[tryfuhl]

Hell Moss can go up and catch some balls.. you can see him really battle for it in close coverage

we're not throwing it into close coverage in the end zone unless it's a really stupid throw though it seems

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

Hell Moss can go up and catch some balls.. you can see him really battle for it in close coverage

we're not throwing it into close coverage in the end zone unless it's a really stupid throw though it seems

Are you having a bad day? LOL