Palin to resign

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by saden1

Damn, I thought I was brutal but Peggy Noonan done murked her.

A very good opinion article. We should all take note of these words:

"Here are a few examples of what we may face in the next 10 years: a profound and prolonged American crash, with the admission of bankruptcy and the spread of deep social unrest; one or more American cities getting hit with weapons of mass destruction from an unknown source; faint glimmers of actual secessionist movements as Americans for various reasons and in various areas decide the burdens and assumptions of the federal government are no longer attractive or legitimate.
The era we face, that is soon upon us, will require a great deal from our leaders. They had better be sturdy. They will have to be gifted. There will be many who cannot, and should not, make the cut. Now is the time to look for those who can. And so the Republican Party should get serious, as serious as the age, because that is what a grown-up, responsible party—a party that deserves to lead—would do."

[jsarno]

Excellent posts slingin sammy!

Back on track, here seems to be more evidence as to why Palin resigned:
Levi Johnston: Palin resigned to cash in on fame - Yahoo! News

I'm still scratching my head as to how this kid is 19 (looks a lot older) and why in the world he has been offered a movie deal! he seems to be trying to cash in now, but I do think he's telling the truth about Palin.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Wrong - The Iranians knew Reagan would bring the full military might of the U.S. to bear to secure the release of the hostages, that's why they completed the deal with the Carter Admin.

from wiki: However, special ops personnel involved in the preparations for the second rescue attempt believed that incoming President Ronald Reagan was involved in the planning and timing of the second rescue attempt, and that these intentions were either implied or made known to the de facto Iranian government, leading to the hostages' release just minutes after Reagan's inauguration, and it is widely believed that Reagan capitalized on the "trigger happy" reputation he had been lambasted with during the 1980 campaign and used it to lead the Iranian leadership to believe that if they didn't release the hostages immediately upon his inauguration, Reagan's first act as President would be to bomb Iran's oil facilities, the main source of their nation's revenue, out of existence. [72][73]


Wrong again - I did state that Reagan provided funding for Bin Laden and other rebels/terrorist organizations and the reasons for that funding. We just disagree on whether it was a mistake or not.


You may want to read this, particularly the Presidency - Second Term section. You don't change a leopard's spots.

Vladimir Putin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



The actual DOD Budget is below: $653B, much of it for paying our soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines and Operations / Maintenance. I know where you're coming up with the additional 300+B, but securing our nuclear arsenal and providing medical care to our veterans sure isn't on the same lines as "more bombs" and F-22s (which I agree is a waste with the F-35 on the horizon).

http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/fy...et/defense.pdf

And I'm sure the Swedes sleeep pretty damn good knowing we are spending $ 653B and will come to save their hind-quarters if the Soviets or some other world power decides to get stupid.

1. Carter gets all the blame and Reagan gets all the glory, dot it.
2. Oh, Putin was such a bad man, as if our own country lacked leadership crisis and controversy. As if we are somehow superior in our methods of governance during Mr. Bush's reign. Even worse you imply that Russia use to be free (thanks to RR) and now it is not. You have excused your account at Bank Morally Superior.
3. Sweden does sleep better, they did just fine during the Nazi descent on Europe and I'm not convinced we would or could stop a Russian invasion of Sweden. There is a reason why "peak softly" comes before "carry a big stick" and sadly Obama gets flack for speaking softly from you lot.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

A very good opinion article. We should all take note of these words:

"Here are a few examples of what we may face in the next 10 years: a profound and prolonged American crash, with the admission of bankruptcy and the spread of deep social unrest; one or more American cities getting hit with weapons of mass destruction from an unknown source; faint glimmers of actual secessionist movements as Americans for various reasons and in various areas decide the burdens and assumptions of the federal government are no longer attractive or legitimate.
The era we face, that is soon upon us, will require a great deal from our leaders. They had better be sturdy. They will have to be gifted. There will be many who cannot, and should not, make the cut. Now is the time to look for those who can. And so the Republican Party should get serious, as serious as the age, because that is what a grown-up, responsible party—a party that deserves to lead—would do."

She paints a very good worst case scenario. Fortunately some of us were smart enough to elected Obama to help us navigate these troubling times. It's a shame you guys don't have a capable leader.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by saden1

She paints a very good worst case scenario. Fortunately some of us were smart enough to elected Obama to help us navigate these troubling times. It's a shame you guys don't have a capable leader.

LOL...Obama has done nothing to make this country better at this point. You need to tread carefully cause there are a ton of opinions out there that Obama is failing miserably. I will take slinging sammy's advice and wait til his term is over.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by saden1

1. Carter gets all the blame and Reagan gets all the glory, dot it.

What's not to like there. And you need to get on-board before the train leaves the station, President Obama is already aboard and I'm holding a seat for you.

President Signs Ronald Reagan Centennial Commission Act Alongside Mrs. Reagan - Political Punch

- Oh, Putin was such a bad man, as if our own country lacked leadership crisis and controversy. As if we are somehow superior in our methods of governance during Mr. Bush's reign. Even worse you imply that Russia use to be free (thanks to RR) and now it is not. You have excused your account at Bank Morally Superior.

As long as the U.S. remains the greatest agent for freedom and democracy for all peoples that the world has ever seen, I'll keep the account open, thank you.

Sweden does sleep better, they did just fine during the Nazi descent on Europe and I'm not convinced we would or could stop a Russian invasion of Sweden. There is a reason why "peak softly" comes before "carry a big stick" and sadly Obama gets flack for speaking softly from you lot.

I'll bet that $ 653B we would have no problem decimating any Russian invasion of Sweden with minimal U.S. casualties, without going nuclear, as long as the politicans stayed out of the way and let the military do its job.

I've got no problem with Obama speaking softly as long as other nations believe he'll use the stick when necessary. But there is no need to not negotiate from a position of strength when you have the biggest stick, by far.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by jsarno

LOL...Obama has done nothing to make this country better at this point. You need to tread carefully cause there are a ton of opinions out there that Obama is failing miserably. I will take slinging sammy's advice and wait til his term is over.

What do I need to tread carefully on? I'm not a big opinions guy, I mean like assholes they're dime a dozen. You know what's funny? You say "Obama has done nothing to make this country better at this point" and then proceed to tell me to "wait 'til his term is over."

The comedy writes itself.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by saden1

She paints a very good worst case scenario. Fortunately some of us were smart enough to elected Obama to help us navigate these troubling times. It's a shame you guys don't have a capable leader.

If only Reagan could channel himself into Obama I'd feel a great deal better about your statement. LOL

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by saden1

What do I need to tread carefully on? I'm not a big opinions guy, I mean like assholes they're dime a dozen. You know what's funny? You say "Obama has done nothing to make this country better at this point" and then proceed to tell me to "wait 'til his term is over."

The comedy writes itself.

Figured you wouldn't get it, so I'll dull it down for you. While he has done nothing to this point, it doesn't mean he wont, so we should wait til the end of his term. But you are acting like Obama is the second coming of say Reagan. What has obama done to deserve such high praise? Your welcome for connecting the dots.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

What's not to like there. And you need to get on-board before the train leaves the station, President Obama is already aboard and I'm holding a seat for you.

President Signs Ronald Reagan Centennial Commission Act Alongside Mrs. Reagan - Political Punch


As long as the U.S. remains the greatest agent for freedom and democracy for all peoples that the world has ever seen, I'll keep the account open, thank you.

I'll bet that $ 653B we would have no problem decimating any Russian invasion of Sweden with minimal U.S. casualties, without going nuclear, as long as the politicans stayed out of the way and let the military do its job.

I've got no problem with Obama speaking softly as long as other nations believe he'll use the stick when necessary. But there is no need to not negotiate from a position of strength when you have the biggest stick, by far.

1. I'm talking Carter as it relates to releasing the hostages. Even I know RR was a better president than Carter.
2. You can't keep your account open when you detain people indefinitely and torture them. You just don't have enough chips to keep it open.
3. Ah, but they have nukes, that's the point. We walked into Iraq and if they wanted to they could walk into Sweden.
4. If you have the biggest stick and in a position of strength you're of the opinion that you need not speak softly? What a shame...stick diplomacy is an oxymoron.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by saden1

- You can't keep your account open when you detain people indefinitely and torture them. You just don't have enough chips to keep it open.

We've been down this road several times, but I am amazed that you are equating the waterboarding of three dangerous terrorists to the Mexican torture: The techniques included beatings, suffocation with plastic bags, electric shocks, the insertion of needles under suspects’ finger nails, water torture, and other abuses.

I guess the millions of lives we've saved and the demcracies we've helped foster go by the wayside.

Ah, but they have nukes, that's the point. We walked into Iraq and if they wanted to they could walk into Sweden.

That's why we continue to develop the missle defense shield and why the Russians are so against/afraid of it. And they would be walking into a massacre if they tried to walk into Sweden.

If you have the biggest stick and in a position of strength you're of the opinion that you need not speak softly?

Speaking softly IMO is not imposing our will by military might on other countries....unless absolutely necessary (see LeMay doctrine). Speaking softly is giving diplomacy a chance, but understanding that diplomacy doesn't work when dealing with dictators/thugs/inherently evil people.

[CRedskinsRule]

You know, I just realized, we need to make Afghanistan the second Switzerland! Somehow, get them to avow neutrality (minus the Taliban). Establish world class banking and resorts, and then all our problems will be solved. Man life is easy!

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

A very good opinion article. We should all take note of these words:

"Here are a few examples of what we may face in the next 10 years: a profound and prolonged American crash, with the admission of bankruptcy and the spread of deep social unrest; one or more American cities getting hit with weapons of mass destruction from an unknown source; faint glimmers of actual secessionist movements as Americans for various reasons and in various areas decide the burdens and assumptions of the federal government are no longer attractive or legitimate.
The era we face, that is soon upon us, will require a great deal from our leaders. They had better be sturdy. They will have to be gifted. There will be many who cannot, and should not, make the cut. Now is the time to look for those who can. And so the Republican Party should get serious, as serious as the age, because that is what a grown-up, responsible party—a party that deserves to lead—would do."

I'm starting to wonder why that would be such a bad idea...

[Beemnseven]

Speaking of those inept, bumbling fools, -- you know, the Republicans, -- here's another take on where the GOP should go from here.

[George W. Bush] remarkably enough, managed to combine every anti-individual liberty idea from the right with every pro-big government policy from the left. From the right, Bush acquired: a super-hawkish foreign policy; contempt for civil liberties; and religiously informed positions on gay marriage, abortion and end-of-life issues. And from the left he got: high-spending ways, including the massive drug entitlement for seniors; expansive ideas about the federal government's role in education policy; and the chutzpah, just before leaving, to engineer a massive government bailout of banks and auto companies.

[firstdown]

Funny how people think that Bush imposed on their liberties but have no problem with what OBama has done taking over the private market.