How Many Games Should We Test Haskins?

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

And almost as many INTS as TDs.



You're right, he did have a decent rookie year, then had several years of garbage play. He had one of the biggest sophomore slumps. Later on, he even had a season where he completed 52%. That's unacceptable for an NFL QB. He's been a sub-60% passer most years, his value comes in his ability to run. Once that's gone, he's done for good.

No he never had a sophomore slump let alone a big one. He had a higher rating as a passer and more yards rushing. He never ever had several years of garbage play. That is ridiculous. One year with a 52 percent completion percentage, but career 60 percent. Also you cannot just discount the rushing and say besides it he is just like Crapkins. Cam showed right off the bat he was good. Crapkins like maybe a few good quarters? They are absolutely nothing alike. Never were. Never will be.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

And almost as many INTS as TDs.

You're right, he did have a decent rookie year, then had several years of garbage play. He had one of the biggest sophomore slumps. Later on, he even had a season where he completed 52%. That's unacceptable for an NFL QB. He's been a sub-60% passer most years, his value comes in his ability to run. Once that's gone, he's done for good.

Cam impacts the game and puts pressure on the defense because he is like another running back. He will never be a high % passer.

But at this point in their careers you simply can not compare the two players. You just can't.

[Summo]

Originally Posted by MTK

Sorry but Cam was far better right off the bat, he threw for 4000 yards as a rookie. Dwayne has a long way to go.

He did twice in the last two games of the season that year when he (Most likely) finally fully grasped the offense. Hopefully well see the same maturation with Haskins

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Summo

He did twice in the last two games of the season that year when he (Most likely) finally fully grasped the offense. Hopefully well see the same maturation with Haskins

Yeah he had two 400 yard games to end the season but Matty said 4000 for the year. I pray that we see Haskins throw for 400 one time. He has never really sniffed 300. He isn’t going to run much so he better throw for alot.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Yeah he had two 400 yard games to end the season but Matty said 4000 for the year. I pray that we see Haskins throw for 400 one time. He has never really sniffed 300. He isn’t going to run much so he better throw for alot.

DH doesn't even have a 300 yard game. The guy doesn't have it. He will never make the players around him better.

Watching Mahomes last night made me depressed about our QB situation..lol. He just drops dimes and makes it look so easy while DH can't hit 10 yard passes.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

DH doesn't even have a 300 yard game. The guy doesn't have it. He will never make the players around him better.

Watching Mahomes last night made me depressed about our QB situation..lol. He just drops dimes and makes it look so easy while DH can't hit 10 yard passes.

Mahomes is already a top 10 QB of all time and will end up being top 3 for sure... He's a generational talent that you don't see very often. Not making an excuse for Haskins, I'd compare him to guys like Herbert and Burrow who are both clearly better.

Both Cincy and LA have poor lines as well and both of those ROOKIES have thrown multiple 300 yard games, yeah stats don't tell you everything but both QB's grades are way better than DH too.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

DH doesn't even have a 300 yard game. The guy doesn't have it. He will never make the players around him better.

Watching Mahomes last night made me depressed about our QB situation..lol. He just drops dimes and makes it look so easy while DH can't hit 10 yard passes.

We could be CHI and had traded up to get Mitch while Mahomes was just sitting there.

[calia]

Look at Cam’s numbers from the link I posted. His 1st two games were over 420 yards, his third was only 158 but they won, and his 4th was 374 yards. It is simply not the case that RR had to be as patient as DH will require with that kind of production in Cam’s 1st 4 rookie games. I don’t think there is any evidence that DH has a stronger arm and he can’t run like Cam. Point being - RR knew right away he had someone he could work with. He doesn’t have that now.


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[AnonEmouse]

Thinking about RR's mentality, maybe it is an element of cancer treatment on the late game situations, but wouldn't JDR be taking him to task if he felt his judgement was affected? Maybe not really obviously but surely he'd have a word. Makes me think the coaching staff have a plan; not tanking but taking the first part of the season as the missed preseason. See what they have in the young guys etc. then build the core of the team in the latter part of the season. He must have seen enough with TC and the 1st 3 games to know we won't be competing for a playoff spot this year so why bust a gut and risk injuries (or embarrassment) going all out this early? Not saying I agree but I get it.

So his view on Haskins, in that light makes sense. Give the kid time. He knows Smith likely will never see the field again (except maybe a ceremonial last game snap/series), and if Allen were franchise calibre or even close he'd still be in Carolina. So why not let Haskins have the whole season? If he can't improve over 16 games, he won't improve in the offseason and he will know for sure he needs another QB. Allen is there as insurance if Haskins gets hurt or devolves so badly he has no choice but to pull him.

Makes sense with the others. Collins and Apke are 2 sides of the same coin; should be better than they are playing, but with capable backups. Collins is being paid too much to bench, but could be a casualty in the spring (will there be much cap damage if he's gone?). Apke has potential but isn't showing it. I'd say he's giving Collins the season like Haskins and Apke probably has 6-8 games before he gets replaced by Curl. Christian is just keeping a seat warm until Charles can be tested. Scherff is the biggest disappointment for me. At least with him down we can look at how the depth stacks up, but they must already be thinking about stocking up on 2nd/3rd round picks and drafting OL. Maybe they should have paid Scherff so he could at least be trade bait...

For the starters this season is the chance to show they deserve a spot next season. So far I'd say 15-17 will be on the roster next year. Right now I see Haskins, half the OL, an LB or two and both S's to be gone; they must be aware of this themselves so if they don't step up in the next 3-5 games (or at least show they are trying 100%) then look for mid season changes possibly excepting Haskins.

Could be a different team on the field after bye week...

[skinsfaninok]

After hearing Ron speak yesterday, I get the feeling that if Haskins blows it against Baltimore, we could see Allen week 5.. He basically said it's go time now for Dwayne. Ron understands that his offense is being held back due to the poor QB play. Terry is one of the best WRs in football, Sims is a good slot and Wright looked great Sunday.. There is talent at that position and the RBs looked good.. Haskins lost us that game period

[irish]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

After hearing Ron speak yesterday, I get the feeling that if Haskins blows it against Baltimore, we could see Allen week 5.. He basically said it's go time now for Dwayne. Ron understands that his offense is being held back due to the poor QB play. Terry is one of the best WRs in football, Sims is a good slot and Wright looked great Sunday.. There is talent at that position and the RBs looked good.. Haskins lost us that game period

Blows it?! You make it sound like WFT vs Balt is a toss-up game. If WFT can stay within 20 point of Balt it will be a miracle.

Comparing Mahommes to DH is ridiculous. Mahommes is on a functioning NFL franchise while DH is on the most dysfunctional franchise in the NFL. If you put Mahommes in DH situation as a rookie he wouldn't be successful either.

[MTK]

He's started 10 games folks.

10.

All this talk about pulling the plug is ridiculous.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by MTK

He's started 10 games folks.

10.

All this talk about pulling the plug is ridiculous.

He has and I want to see the guy get better but Matty we can't sit back and let the offense look like shit due to QB play.. Unless they want to tank and if that's the case I'm cool with it.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

He has and I want to see the guy get better but Matty we can't sit back and let the offense look like shit due to QB play.. Unless they want to tank and if that's the case I'm cool with it.

Is Kyle Allen going to make this a 10 win team?

Rivera has made it clear he's in full on rebuild mode. So what's the rush?

[mooby]

Originally Posted by MTK

Is Kyle Allen going to make this a 10 win team?

Rivera has made it clear he's in full on rebuild mode. So what's the rush?

It's the worst part of the rebuild. Folks get a little taste of success and next thing you know it's "we have playoff potential this year, we can't afford to waste games developing a qb"