Jurgensen thinks Campbell will be back

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I don't know where the interview is, but Zorn said that they had been wanting to get FD involved but he wasn't showing enough, but once Cooley went down and he was forced in, FD stepped up. But the way Zorn said it made it sound like it was FDs fault. I am saying by looking at the repeated decision by Zorn to hold off on putting a young player in, FD knew he wasn't going to get the chance regardless. Look, Cooley and JC had a great timing, so back off their practice a little and put FD in to force him to prepare. That's a coach's job, maybe not the HC, but again, if the coaches and players know that the younger guys aren't getting in even if a player takes all the practices off, then why are they going to try to get in. It was the atmosphere Zorn thrived in, where the senior class was gonna get everything, and the freshman had to wait, regardless of how they practiced.

and also just realized this is way sorry guys.

I understand what you're saying C but Davis was given chances. He also got a lot of practice, hence all the stories about how good he was. A healthy Cooley was not going to be benched for someone who, at the time, couldn't hold on to the ball. DT was given chances too but couldn't even run the correct route. Part of the reason DT said he's playing better is because he wanted his starting position back after it was given to Kelly. I've said before that players would step up more if given the responsibility, but if they don't, sometimes you need to sit them back down until they realize the jobs not theirs until they're willing to put the work in. I still think alot of it is just mental, and as Zorn has said, it would take a while to catch on. There's a lot of precision and detail in this offense and they just weren't getting it before. Now they are and it's starting to look pretty good. And to stay on topic, JC is getting it too and being benched probably helped him out.

[SmootSmack]

When the Browns talk to Holmgren it's "The Browns are taking decisive action now to make fundamental changes to the organization" When the Redskins talk to Shanahan it's "Dan Snyder has no patience, he's always meddling"

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

When the Browns talk to Holmgren it's "The Browns are taking decisive action now to make fundamental changes to the organization" When the Redskins talk to Shanahan it's "Dan Snyder has no patience, he's always meddling"

Smack, I would actually enjoy the privledge of being able to ask Mr. Snyder what he considers his credentials to be that favors him being so heavily involved in the day to day operation of the team.

I know it's his team and he can do what he wants, but he does not have a football resume, his success is rooted elsewhere. He's a ten year owner now, and I'm convinced that had he had some history where professional sports are concerned, the team would not have been and continue to be a revolving door.

He consistently maintains the fact he want's to win and I really believe he does. What's so difficult for him to take a step back, hire the people who know how to do what he's "trying" to do and evaluate it's success or failure? I would think even he would look at his body of work since becoming owner and say to himself this is not working, and ask himself what can I do to make it better as oposed to constantly dismissing personnel when the team fails to win on a timeline.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

Smack, I would actually enjoy the privledge of being able to ask Mr. Snyder what he considers his credentials to be that favors him being so heavily involved in the day to day operation of the team.

I know it's his team and he can do what he wants, but he does not have a football resume, his success is rooted elsewhere. He's a ten year owner now, and I'm convinced that had he had some history where professional sports are concerned, the team would not have been and continue to be a revolving door.

He consistently maintains the fact he want's to win and I really believe he does. What's so difficult for him to take a step back, hire the people who know how to do what he's "trying" to do and evaluate it's success or failure? I would think even he would look at his body of work since becoming owner and say to himself this is not working, and ask himself what can I do to make it better as oposed to constantly dismissing personnel when the team fails to win on a timeline.

I'm pretty sure he'd give you the answer you gave yourself. He's been an owner for the past 10 years, spending each and every day involved in football operations. He'd say he understands the NFL and how it works and he has a vision on how to build a winner. Like it or not, he's got a decade of experience with players, coaches, front office, the salary cap, league personnel, etc. He has 'credentials' on paper. Now the reality is that the results have been mediocre. 2 playoff appearances, 1 playoff win is not getting it done. He will admit he's made mistakes and strongly state his desire to win (which I believe) but will also remain committed to doing it his way.

At the end of the conversation you'd probably wish you hadn't had it because you'd be more frustrated than you were before!

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I'm pretty sure he'd give you the answer you gave yourself. He's been an owner for the past 10 years, spending each and every day involved in football operations. He'd say he understands the NFL and how it works and he has a vision on how to build a winner. Like it or not, he's got a decade of experience with players, coaches, front office, the salary cap, league personnel, etc. He has 'credentials' on paper. Now the reality is that the results have been mediocre. 2 playoff appearances, 1 playoff win is not getting it done. He will admit he's made mistakes and strongly state his desire to win (which I believe) but will also remain committed to doing it his way.

At the end of the conversation you'd probably wish you hadn't had it because you'd be more frustrated than you were before!

I'm convinced you're right, and what you mention is probably why he's adopted the slogan of "if it ain't broke don't fix it." His philosophy has been steadfast even before he gained the experience he has over his period of ownership.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

When the Browns talk to Holmgren it's "The Browns are taking decisive action now to make fundamental changes to the organization" When the Redskins talk to Shanahan it's "Dan Snyder has no patience, he's always meddling"

It's a totally different situation. It looks like Lerner is trying to start from the very top and work his way down. Hire top football guy, let him hire the coach, scouts and so on. That's not the case here. Snyder is trying to get Shanahan DURING the season. Sorry but that's meddling.

[diehardskin2982]

Some stats to compare:

Jason Campbell
TD:17 INT:12 YDS:2946 RTG:89.0
Jay Cutler
TD:19 INT:22 YDS: 3023 RTG:75.2
Mark Sanchez
TD:11 INT:17 YDS:2049 RTG: 63.7
Kyle Orton
TD: 16 INT:8 YDS:2904 RTG: 88.9

Shouldn't we be glad the trade didn't occur?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

Some stats to compare:

Jason Campbell
TD:17 INT:12 YDS:2946 RTG:89.0
Jay Cutler
TD:19 INT:22 YDS: 3023 RTG:75.2
Mark Sanchez
TD:11 INT:17 YDS:2049 RTG: 63.7
Kyle Orton
TD: 16 INT:8 YDS:2904 RTG: 88.9

Shouldn't we be glad the trade didn't occur?

If we hadn't traded for Campbell back in 2005, we potentially could have drafted Orton or Cutler and still had the other picks we gave away. Just saying

[BigHairedAristocrat]

I think that much is beyond obvious at this point, although i'd give Sanchez some time to develop before passing judgement. Its not really fair to compare a rookie QB to a 5 year veteran. He may actually end up being a MUCH better QB than Campbell in 5 years.

That said, I'd be shocked if Sanchez developed into a better QB than Orakpo already is as DE.

[Bigreds77]

I am glad that people are starting to see good in JC & JZ.

[CultBrennan59]

Just saw inside the nfl, and Michael Lombardi thinks that Campbell will definitley be back next year and said that JC has soldified himself as a starting QB in the NFL, and Shanahan will be the next head coach.

[AYJAX]

Hopefully JC comes back. He has been much better now that he has more confidence the recievers around him.