Campbell's numbers dont lie

[GTripp0012]

Rodgers is kinda clueless out there.

He's a GREAT passer when he gets the ball out quickly and in rhythm because he's deadly accurate and he has the best receiving corps in the NFL. He just can't seem to find his second read quickly, knowing that the Vikings are bearing down on him.

And his line does suck. But at least his backs can pick up a blitz.

[GTripp0012]

Or maybe they cant.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Rodgers is kinda clueless out there.

He's a GREAT passer when he gets the ball out quickly and in rhythm because he's deadly accurate and he has the best receiving corps in the NFL. He just can't seem to find his second read quickly, knowing that the Vikings are bearing down on him.

And his line does suck. But at least his backs can pick up a blitz.

Rogers makes MORE THAN enough plays so you take the good and the bad...cause the good outweighs the bad by a mile. . And I would hardly call his wr's the best in the NFL. After watching Rogers for a two years what I've seen is a guy that is good enough to be effective when things are not perfect around him. With Campbell it seems everything has to be perfect for him to be effective.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Rogers makes MORE THAN enough plays so you take the good and the bad...cause the good outweighs the bad by a mile. . And I would hardly call his wr's the best in the NFL. After watching Rogers for a two years what I've seen is a guy that is good enough to be effective when things are not perfect around him. With Campbell it seems everything has to be perfect for him to be effective.

Well, Rodgers has some really great numbers. I don't think you can argue that he isn't getting it done. My issue there is that, while I feel he is getting it done, I feel like while watching him that this is pretty much all you are going to get from him.

And I'd take what Rodgers is giving the Packers any day over what Campbell is offering the Redskins. Problem is, I don't think it would take very much additional offensive talent at all to tilt the scales in Campbell's favor. It's sort of sad to say that the best offensive unit JC ever had was the vastly flawed 2007 team, especially since Portis really didn't get going until late in the year that year, but it really hasn't gotten any better for us since that year.

I could see Rodgers as the GB QB for the next ten years, but I could also see him out of a job by 2011. It all depends on what direction they go with that franchise. He does seem to be in the perfect offense for his skill set, and somewhat unfazed by the pass rush.

[GTripp0012]

Problem is, of course, that the Packers are just 4-3, and with the defense that Dom Capers has given them, if they don't make some noise this year, they are in trouble for the future.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Well, Rodgers has some really great numbers. I don't think you can argue that he isn't getting it done. My issue there is that, while I feel he is getting it done, I feel like while watching him that this is pretty much all you are going to get from him.

And I'd take what Rodgers is giving the Packers any day over what Campbell is offering the Redskins. Problem is, I don't think it would take very much additional offensive talent at all to tilt the scales in Campbell's favor. It's sort of sad to say that the best offensive unit JC ever had was the vastly flawed 2007 team, especially since Portis really didn't get going until late in the year that year, but it really hasn't gotten any better for us since that year.

I could see Rodgers as the GB QB for the next ten years, but I could also see him out of a job by 2011. It all depends on what direction they go with that franchise. He does seem to be in the perfect offense for his skill set, and somewhat unfazed by the pass rush.

I don't think AR will be unemployed for a very long time.

I just think it's time for us to turn the page on JC. He's never had great players around him and probably never will here. But McNabb has never had great wr's either. When I see Todd Collins come off the bench and outplay JC that was one thing. But when hear guys that watch the coaches tape all say the same things I've been wondering, I think it's JC that's the problem....doesn't get the ball out on time, sloppy footwork, inaccurate, ball security issues, locks in on one wr...... I like the guy and I hope it works out for him but I just think it's time to move on.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I don't think AR will be unemployed for a very long time.

I just think it's time for us to turn the page on JC. He's never had great players around him and probably never will here. But McNabb has never had great wr's either. When I see Todd Collins come off the bench and outplay JC that was one thing. But when hear guys that watch the coaches tape all say the same things I've been wondering, I think it's JC that's the problem....doesn't get the ball out on time, sloppy footwork, inaccurate, ball security issues, locks in on one wr...... I like the guy and I hope it works out for him but I just think it's time to move on.

When did Todd Collins play well off the bench? 2007? I guess...

McNabb and Campbell is still an interesting comparison because both guys have been under imense pressure to perform over the last 3 years or so, and McNabb's results just don't seem to move with the talent he's been given. McNabb is actually having a worse year than Campbell, and remarkably is doing it with DeSean Jackson having the best year by a NFC East receiver since Moss '05. I don't really know why that's happening.

McNabb, however, is still winning because the Philadelphia defense has been excellent, and Oakland game aside, they've put away the teams they are supposed to beat in the first half. Philly also got two of their best three passing performances of the year when they went to Kevin Kolb.

People in the know seem to think that McNabb's on the hot seat as well. But there's no reason to think the Eagles won't keep winning because they're simply not built around their quarterback.

You could say that McNabb is the problem in Philly, but because they are winning, his Campbell-level play bothers no one. We could easily find our own Kevin Kolb in the draft, but it's not like he'd be successful here.

[Trample the Elderly]

Don't compare McNabb to Soup. McNabb is a good QB. Soup is an average QB at best.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

Don't compare McNabb to Soup. McNabb is a good QB. Soup is an average QB at best.

Well, right, but how much of that is because the Philly defense manages to be great every year.

If McNabb had a below .500 win percentage, but was the exact same quarterback, would people still say he was good? I really don't think they would, though certainly, I could be wrong.

[Monkeydad]

UPDATED stats/assessment...Campbell was not sacked and threw no INTs in Week 8!

Cutler:
WK 8 - 17/30 (56.7%), 225 yds, 0 TD, 1 INT, 66.7 rating, 32 rush yds
TOTAL: 153/239 (64.0%), 1,677 yds, 11 TD, 11 INT, 80.8 rating, 92 rush yds

Sanchez:
WK 8 - 20/35 (57.1%), 265 yds, 2 TD, 0 INT, 100.3 rating, 6 rush yds
TOTAL: 114/213 (53.5%), 1,443 yds, 8 TD, 10 INT, 67.9 rating, 60 rush yds

Campbell:
WK 8 - *BYE*
TOTAL: 136/206 (66.0%), 1,481 yds, 8 TD, 7 INT, 85.8 rating, 103 rush yds


Ranks:
Comp. % = Campbell, Cutler, Sanchez
Yds = Cutler (1,677) Campbell (1,481) Sanchez (1,443)
TDs = Cutler (11), Campbell (8), Sanchez (8)
INTs (fewest) = Campbell (7), Sanchez (10) Cutler (11)
QB rating = Campbell (85.8), Cutler (80.8), Sanchez (67.9)
Rush yds = Campbell (103), Cutler (92), Sanchez(60)


Week 8 Campbell overview:
At this point in the season, Campbell and Cutler have had their bye weeks, Sanchez has played in 8 games to their 7, yet still comes in with the least stats in all categories; only Cutler has more INTs, saving Sanchez from the basement in every stat I'm tracking.

Both Cutler and Sanchez were on the losing side of the scoreboards in Week 8. Cutler had no TDs and another INT, with a poor performance against the Browns. Sanchez had a better game than Cutler with a pair of TD passes and decent yardage, but was still inaccurate against the Dolphins. Both QBs had sub-60% completion percentages this week.

Campbell still leads all three QBs in completion %, QB rating, fewest INTs and rushing yardage. Cutler overtook him in yardage this week as the Redskins had the week off.

If looking at the TD/INT categories, so far Campbell is +1 with 8 TDs/7 INTs. It does not look impressive, but Cutler is even with 11 TDs/11 INTs and Sanchez is -2 with his 8 TDs/10 INTs. This is not an official or possibly even useful stat, but it does show that Campbell does make fewer mistakes, even with his joke of an offensive line and no protection or time. Since I know someone will mention fumbles now, here you go:

Cutler: 7 fumbles, 1 lost
Sanchez: 8 fumbles, 2 lost
Campbell: 10 fumbles, 3 lost

Let's also look at sacks:

Cutler: 11 sacked
Sanchez: 15 sacked
Campbell: 20 sacked

Campbell is getting killed, even with having the most mobility of the 3 QBs. You can see a direct correlation with times sacked vs. fumbles.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Well, right, but how much of that is because the Philly defense manages to be great every year.

If McNabb had a below .500 win percentage, but was the exact same quarterback, would people still say he was good? I really don't think they would, though certainly, I could be wrong.

Winning cures everything. I mean last year during the first half of the season we had similar offensive issues, but no one was talking much about them b/c we were winning.

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I don't think AR will be unemployed for a very long time.

I just think it's time for us to turn the page on JC. He's never had great players around him and probably never will here. But McNabb has never had great wr's either. When I see Todd Collins come off the bench and outplay JC that was one thing. But when hear guys that watch the coaches tape all say the same things I've been wondering, I think it's JC that's the problem....doesn't get the ball out on time, sloppy footwork, inaccurate, ball security issues, locks in on one wr...... I like the guy and I hope it works out for him but I just think it's time to move on.

Well he's had Westbrook, who up until recently was a game-changing playmaker for the Eagles. I just don't think we've ever had a player like that in our team.

[Redskin Warrior]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Rogers makes MORE THAN enough plays so you take the good and the bad...cause the good outweighs the bad by a mile. . And I would hardly call his wr's the best in the NFL. After watching Rogers for a two years what I've seen is a guy that is good enough to be effective when things are not perfect around him. With Campbell it seems everything has to be perfect for him to be effective.

Maybe not the best but top five for sure

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

When did Todd Collins play well off the bench? 2007? I guess...

McNabb and Campbell is still an interesting comparison because both guys have been under imense pressure to perform over the last 3 years or so, and McNabb's results just don't seem to move with the talent he's been given. McNabb is actually having a worse year than Campbell, and remarkably is doing it with DeSean Jackson having the best year by a NFC East receiver since Moss '05. I don't really know why that's happening.

McNabb, however, is still winning because the Philadelphia defense has been excellent, and Oakland game aside, they've put away the teams they are supposed to beat in the first half. Philly also got two of their best three passing performances of the year when they went to Kevin Kolb.

People in the know seem to think that McNabb's on the hot seat as well. But there's no reason to think the Eagles won't keep winning because they're simply not built around their quarterback.

You could say that McNabb is the problem in Philly, but because they are winning, his Campbell-level play bothers no one. We could easily find our own Kevin Kolb in the draft, but it's not like he'd be successful here.

And McNabb has nothing to do with Philly being a consistent winner for the past 9 or 10 years. lol. No need to over analyze it. McNabb is a proven winner. He's not the most gifted passer but he makes plays and that's why he's been a top QB. Kolb had some good games this year and he might be a real good player. But McNabb has been doing it for years. Time will tell on Kolb. But there is no comparison with McNabb and JC.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Buster

UPDATED stats/assessment...Campbell was not sacked and threw no INTs in Week 8!

Cutler:
WK 8 - 17/30 (56.7%), 225 yds, 0 TD, 1 INT, 66.7 rating, 32 rush yds
TOTAL: 153/239 (64.0%), 1,677 yds, 11 TD, 11 INT, 80.8 rating, 92 rush yds

Sanchez:
WK 8 - 20/35 (57.1%), 265 yds, 2 TD, 0 INT, 100.3 rating, 6 rush yds
TOTAL: 114/213 (53.5%), 1,443 yds, 8 TD, 10 INT, 67.9 rating, 60 rush yds

Campbell:
WK 8 - *BYE*
TOTAL: 136/206 (66.0%), 1,481 yds, 8 TD, 7 INT, 85.8 rating, 103 rush yds


Ranks:
Comp. % = Campbell, Cutler, Sanchez
Yds = Cutler (1,677) Campbell (1,481) Sanchez (1,443)
TDs = Cutler (11), Campbell (8), Sanchez (8)
INTs (fewest) = Campbell (7), Sanchez (10) Cutler (11)
QB rating = Campbell (85.8), Cutler (80.8), Sanchez (67.9)
Rush yds = Campbell (103), Cutler (92), Sanchez(60)


Week 8 Campbell overview:
At this point in the season, Campbell and Cutler have had their bye weeks, Sanchez has played in 8 games to their 7, yet still comes in with the least stats in all categories; only Cutler has more INTs, saving Sanchez from the basement in every stat I'm tracking.

Both Cutler and Sanchez were on the losing side of the scoreboards in Week 8. Cutler had no TDs and another INT, with a poor performance against the Browns. Sanchez had a better game than Cutler with a pair of TD passes and decent yardage, but was still inaccurate against the Dolphins. Both QBs had sub-60% completion percentages this week.

Campbell still leads all three QBs in completion %, QB rating, fewest INTs and rushing yardage. Cutler overtook him in yardage this week as the Redskins had the week off.

If looking at the TD/INT categories, so far Campbell is +1 with 8 TDs/7 INTs. It does not look impressive, but Cutler is even with 11 TDs/11 INTs and Sanchez is -2 with his 8 TDs/10 INTs. This is not an official or possibly even useful stat, but it does show that Campbell does make fewer mistakes, even with his joke of an offensive line and no protection or time. Since I know someone will mention fumbles now, here you go:

Cutler: 7 fumbles, 1 lost
Sanchez: 8 fumbles, 2 lost
Campbell: 10 fumbles, 3 lost

Let's also look at sacks:

Cutler: 11 sacked
Sanchez: 15 sacked
Campbell: 20 sacked

Campbell is getting killed, even with having the most mobility of the 3 QBs. You can see a direct correlation with times sacked vs. fumbles.

who cares???? you can show me stats all you want but my eyes don't lie and stats do. and when i see a qb consistenly throw the ball late, miss guys that are open, not let plays develop cause he doesn't trust his o-line, fumble the ball, throw the ball when his feet aren't set, not move safeties with his eyes and pump fakes then i don't need to see stats. people need to stop making this an o-line issue. it's an o-line issue but it's also a qb issue too.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Redskin Warrior

Maybe not the best but top five for sure

ok well then what about drew brees last year? he almost broke the ALL TIME yardage record with injuries to his best wr. he was throwing to lance moore, devry henderson and robert meachum..... yet he cracked 5,000 yards.