Redskins Add WRs Pierre Garcon and Joshua Morgan

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by los panda

gaffney is a good wr w good size. who is the last good wr we had w decent size? what's w the gaffney hate?

And if we're talking in terms of mobility, Moss is better, with a 42 vertical against Gaffney's 34. So the size thing is kinda... moot?

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

And if we're talking in terms of mobility, Moss is better, with a 42 vertical against Gaffney's 34. So the size thing is kinda... moot?

Granted those numbers are old.

Wait a minute, wtf. Both of these guys are old! Isn't it bad when we have to decide which old guy to keep?!

[los panda]

i love moss. i like gaffney. no hate in my heart

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Is Moss able to turn back the clock as well? How did his hand injury last year prevent him from gaining YAC and separation from CB and LB? We need to realize that Moss isn't a 28 year old burner anymore. He's more likely (even if healthy) to be a 3rd receiver than one of the top 2 WR on the team.

Our most explosive receiving weapons should be:
Garçon
Hankerson
Davis
Morgan
Cooley/Moss
Gaffney
Paul

Maybe in 2013...although Hankerson's health/durability is such a big question ? at this point I can't imagine the FO sees it this way. Using most our FA $ on WRs would be pretty irrational if Bruce/Mike/Kyle thought Hank was going to make an impact this season.

[los panda]

hankerson had one good game after spending a lot of time on the practice squad. need a larger sample

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

And if we're talking in terms of mobility, Moss is better, with a 42 vertical against Gaffney's 34. So the size thing is kinda... moot?

That's interesting man...that f*cking interesting. Thing about Moss that frustrates me is I really suspect he loafs it more often than not...like he's afraid of leaving it all out on the field but still coming up short somehow. Maybe his time to make a big impact are over anyway, but if he would put the effort in he's arguably the most talented WR on the roster...and he fits Kyle's system the best at this point IMO.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by The Goat

That's interesting man...that f*cking interesting. Thing about Moss that frustrates me is I really suspect he loafs it more often than not...like he's afraid of leaving it all out on the field but still coming up short somehow. Maybe his time to make a big impact are over anyway, but if he would put the effort in he's arguably the most talented WR on the roster...and he fits Kyle's system the best at this point IMO.

I think a lot of people phoned it in last season, especially towards the end because by that point nothing was going right. But when was the last time Moss was playing with an above average QB? JC? Ramsey?

After getting RGIII confidence level will probably be pretty high, I don't expect much loafing if any.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

I think a lot of people phoned it in last season, especially towards the end because by that point nothing was going right. But when was the last time Moss was playing with an above average QB? JC? Ramsey?

After getting RGIII confidence level will probably be pretty high, I don't expect much loafing if any.

This by infinity!

[los panda]

griffin is the oil to fry the wings after grossman baked them in his boring oven. griff makes them crispy and desirable

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Maybe in 2013...although Hankerson's health/durability is such a big question ? at this point I can't imagine the FO sees it this way. Using most our FA $ on WRs would be pretty irrational if Bruce/Mike/Kyle thought Hank was going to make an impact this season.

The Garçon contract is big, no doubt, but they expect big things from him but Morgan's contract (reportedly) is written in such a way they can get out of it after this season with minimal cap damage. I'd call him more of Hankerson insurance than a replacement or someone expected to provide the expected impact of Hankerson.

Ideally, I think Shanny sees Garçon over the top and taking crossing routes for big gains, Hankerson as the chain mover across the middle of the field and a red zone target & Morgan in the Gaffney role of 3rd down receiver or can beat an overmatched corner/safety. I don't think there's much expectation for Moss or Gaffney in the plans going forward. If we got Royal, I'm pretty sure Moss would have been cut or would be a June 1 cut because he would become our slot WR. Since we didn't, Moss may survive but don't be surprised to see a relatively high pick, even our third rounder, used on a slot type WR (Joe Adams/Ryan Broyles) for the future.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by los panda

griffin is the oil to fry the wings after grossman baked them in his boring oven. griff makes them crispy and desirable

That sh!ts gonna be stupid overcooked if you force the "same wings" assumption. I guess Garcon and Morgan are spring chickens in this instance, maybe that's why they look so appetizing to certain fans

[los panda]

i make buffalo wings for a living. bake before fry is the way

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

The Garçon contract is big, no doubt, but they expect big things from him but Morgan's contract (reportedly) is written in such a way they can get out of it after this season with minimal cap damage. I'd call him more of Hankerson insurance than a replacement or someone expected to provide the expected impact of Hankerson.

Ideally, I think Shanny sees Garçon over the top and taking crossing routes for big gains, Hankerson as the chain mover across the middle of the field and a red zone target & Morgan in the Gaffney role of 3rd down receiver or can beat an overmatched corner/safety. I don't think there's much expectation for Moss or Gaffney in the plans going forward. If we got Royal, I'm pretty sure Moss would have been cut or would be a June 1 cut because he would become our slot WR.

I can mostly agree w/ the first paragraph. As to the rest, you and I agree this is what Mike/Kyle are grasping for...the difference is I don't believe those three players (Garcon, Hankerson and Morgan) are likely to develop into that overnight if ever, and I hope this time around Mike swallows the pride pill and rethinks the starters so Griffin benefits from better consistency and overall results as a rookie QB w/ the weight of the world on his shoulders.

...i.e. I anticipate another ego vs. practicality/team/results situation, and I'm hopeful w/ the gravity of the decision on his mind Mike chooses Griffin and some combo of Gaffney, Moss, Davis/Cooley and some rotation/combo of Garcon, Hankerson or Morgan.

[REDSKINS4ever]

Something tells me that Fred Davis will be the Redskins most productive receiver in 2012. Without the suspension at season's end, he definitely would have had over 1,000 yards and would have made the pro bowl. If he duplicates half of what he did last year, Fred Davis will be an all pro. I'm expecting huge things from Pierre Garcon but I counting on Leonard Hankerson to be RG3's go to guy. I also expect Gaffney and Moss to be in the mix as well. I don't know how much Chris Cooley and Josh Morgan figures into the offensive passing game, but something tells me they will have their moments during the season.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Is Moss able to turn back the clock as well?

We're all intitled to our opinions.
You attribute Moss decline in production last year to age, I attribute it to injury.

How did his hand injury last year prevent him from gaining YAC and separation from CB and LB?

Does a broken hand's effect on YAC really need to be explained?
Obviously a WR with a broken hand is gonna be effected because his ability to catch the football is effected.
YAC is about catching the ball then making a move.
A WR that is gingerly catching the ball is wasting valuable miliseconds that could be used making a move.

BTW-Its a spurious question anyway because it implies that Moss decline in YAC is a sign of age/decline.
It would be like me making some spurious claim based on Garcon's drop in YAC from 6.1 in 2009 to 2010 to 4.0.
YAC varries from year to year and would you have guessed that Moss and Garcon have the same career YPC.

....We need to realize that Moss isn't a 28 year old burner anymore. He's more likely (even if healthy) to be a 3rd receiver than one of the top 2 WR on the team

Moss isn't as fast as he used to be, but speed doesn't vanish.
Its not like Moss has gone from a 4.3 to a 4.7.
But that is besides the point anyway because even in Moss very productive 2010 season he more as slot WR and a move around guy.
Moss isn't being counted on as an 'explosive' WR but that doesn't mean that he can't be a productive WR.
And lets not forget that scheme knowledge is going to be very important with a rookie QB and 2 WRs new to the scheme.