The Sam Howell Thread

[jamf]

Let me give Sam some praise.

Dude is tough and he holds on to the ball which is surprising considering how often he is scrambling.

That's all I got for positives

Links for reading pleasure while you wait for your oil change at Jiffy Lube.
https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/p...-time-to-throw
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/...5592d50f8fa7af
https://www.si.com/nfl/draft/news/samhowell

From the SI article:

Howell gets passes batted at the line and deflected by underneath defenders as he is unable to get over them, lacking height. He takes too many sacks because he fails to identify blitzes pre-snap and does not have an internal clock.

[Ruhskins]

I think it is funny that some fans are asking for the new regime to do the same thing that has happened with this current (Ron and co.) and the previous (Bruce/Jay and co.): to keep and work with the existing QB, which has some potential upside, that hasn't resulted in wins.

Now, is there a chance for Sam to be the starter in 2024? Yes. The most likely scenario for this is a situation where the team has no option to get a QB (i.e. no trading partner).

I don't think there are many GM/coaches that are going to come in and view Sam with the same Ashburn Syndrome glasses we do as fans and anoint him QB1 right away. There could be, but I highly doubted, and the optics of Sam continuing to falter (I know not everything is on him) and throw pick-6s, doesn't look good for a new regime that wants to go on rebuild mode.

Personally, I think there are other scenarios that are most likely to happen:

- We trade up to get a QB in the draft, who starts right away.

- The new GM brings in a veteran they know via free agency or a trade the way that Campbell brought Goff to the Lions.

Again, not saying that Sam starting next year is out of the question, I just feel that the new regime is going to want their own guy (whether rookie or free agent) like most new regimes do.

[skinsfaninok]

Honestly at the end of the day when they get a new staff here, the odds of them picking their own QB are probably high

[That Guy]

EB has called at least one bootleg... (the game after schlereth talked to him about the run game, the one he had the call for). I really can't remember seeing another one though.

[Meks]

The height shit something he will have to adapt to. There's been short qbs who did fine, brees was the same size. Howell needs to learn and progress same as 90% of other players who expect to play a long time in this league. He moves well in the pocket when they actually have one, he gets out of trouble a good amount of time, he's for the most part accurate and has a great arm. A lot comparisons to Brees not just the size thing. Brees numbers were not great in his first 27 games through back to back almost full seasons.

It's fine if most of you would rather draft a QB instead of other pieces half giving up on him, that's your choice. To me it's a waste of capital drafting a qb in the top 5 if there is a stud OL there. With a new coach and scheme and some OL help he'd earn yalls praise a bit more. So we draft a qb that should "start right away". If they don't change the OC and really... really help the o line it will mean zilch. Stroud is playing great but to me he's more of an exception not a rule.

Handful of rookies won 9+ games and that number is 6 since 2012 on list includes RG3.

Sam has a lot of work to do... I believe he will do it. He has great potential and IMO can lead this team to great records and the playoffs for a long time. He needs help, as would any qb here. Especially another rookie. Cousins was never clutch but he was the most decent we had for a long time. A lot of yall gave him a much longer leash than you are Sam. Sam the rookie. Patience is an underrated and undervalued thing in a 'what have you done for me lately' league.

For me I'm not risking our 1st round pick on a qb. New regime or not, just not what I'd like to see them do.

Cheers to the future.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Meks

The height shit something he will have to adapt to. There's been short qbs who did fine, brees was the same size. Howell needs to learn and progress same as 90% of other players who expect to play a long time in this league. He moves well in the pocket when they actually have one, he gets out of trouble a good amount of time, he's for the most part accurate and has a great arm. A lot comparisons to Brees not just the size thing. Brees numbers were not great in his first 27 games through back to back almost full seasons.

It's fine if most of you would rather draft a QB instead of other pieces half giving up on him, that's your choice. To me it's a waste of capital drafting a qb in the top 5 if there is a stud OL there. With a new coach and scheme and some OL help he'd earn yalls praise a bit more. So we draft a qb that should "start right away". If they don't change the OC and really... really help the o line it will mean zilch. Stroud is playing great but to me he's more of an exception not a rule.

Handful of rookies won 9+ games and that number is 6 since 2012 on list includes RG3.

Sam has a lot of work to do... I believe he will do it. He has great potential and IMO can lead this team to great records and the playoffs for a long time. He needs help, as would any qb here. Especially another rookie. Cousins was never clutch but he was the most decent we had for a long time. A lot of yall gave him a much longer leash than you are Sam. Sam the rookie. Patience is an underrated and undervalued thing in a 'what have you done for me lately' league.

For me I'm not risking our 1st round pick on a qb. New regime or not, just not what I'd like to see them do.

Cheers to the future.

This. Give Sam a #4 overall LT, 2nd and 3rd guards or use Chicago 2nd and ours to get into the lower 1st and get a RT, and the 3rds for DE's (FA for LB's). then give him a year. If he doesn't keep producing, then we likely will be in the top teens and able to be in trading range for a qb.

[skinsfan69]

The sacks and int's are an issue. But that is going to come w/ just about any first year starter. On top of that he's got a really bad line in front of him w. an OC that really doesn't do a good job at running an offense.

If Sam had Kyle he'd be put in a lot better positions to be successful. If they go w/ Sam, for god sakes invest heavily in the line in front of him. Two high picks and a FA or two. 3 to 4 new starters...

The new guys will have to do your due diligence w/ all the QB's coming out. I'm really high on Penix and not high on Caleb. We won't be able to get him anyway. Just didn't like what I saw against a few tough teams. Haven't seen enough of Maye. Jaden Daniels.. what's not to like? He can do it all. He is a better prospect than Hurts was imo. But getting back to Penix, he is as good a thrower/passer as I've seen in a while. The rotation on his ball and the elite arm talent is all there.

[AnonEmouse]

Personally I don't think you can underestimate the importance of a stud LT. Plenty of teams have been successful with a good (but not top5) QB but had a top LT. Hell, we won 2 SBs with good but not great QBs. Key was an OL that kept them upright long enough to make good throws. It's not a surprise that the 9ers 3 losses occurred while TW was injured.

I'm not saying that SH is merely good; I don't think we can know his ceiling yet (especially with no OL). And I don't think you can ignore a stud QB if available, but i can't see the top 2 QBs being there by the 4th pick. So you pick a stud LT at #4, build around them and see what SH can do. If you reach for a QB there when you have a good one already in the roster, you're subtracting by addition, missing out on plugging some of the holes elsewhere.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Of the top 10 Tackles in the NFL right now (according to PFF), only four were taken in the top 10 (T Williams, L Johnson, P Sewell & A Thomas). Three were taken with the 13th overall pick. The other three were taken in the 3rd round, 4th round, and 7th round.

You can get a real good tackle with the #4 pick, but you can also get a Luke Joeckel.

You can most certainly find a real good - even cornerstone - tackle at pick #7, outside the top 10, or outside the first round.

I don't think you can take trading back off the table if there is a team desperate for one of the top 3-4 QBs. It's my most desired course of action at this point given all the holes this team has.

[Chief X_Phackter]

I disagree. If somebody offers them multiple picks to slide down 3 or 4 slots, that would be the best thing for the organization. It's really all going to depend on who is actually there when they pick, and what they have already done in free agency.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

I disagree. If somebody offers them multiple picks to slide down 3 or 4 slots, that would be the best thing for the organization. It's really all going to depend on who is actually there when they pick, and what they have already done in free agency.

to be honest it depends who is picking for us

you give a RR type a bunch of lower draft pics might as well just let the clock run out on draft day on each one of them that be more useful then him picking someone

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by mredskins

to be honest it depends who is picking for us

you give a RR type a bunch of lower draft pics might as well just let the clock run out on draft day on each one of them that be more useful then him picking someone

I think we're all assuming we will have more competent people making the decisions after RR & Co is shown the door. But to your point, the jury is still out on whether or not the new ownership group actually upgrades the decision makers. I think it would be hard not to, but you never know...

[SFREDSKIN]

I wish McVay was our next coach, he’s the best coach in the NFL, has done a lot with basically a new roster and will probably sneak into the playoffs. He loves Howell. 📸 Look at this post on Facebook https://fanrecap.com/article-120578/...mLpjT7S2_xe_BM

[SFREDSKIN]

[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1354331]I wish McVay was our next coach, he’s the best coach in the NFL, has done a lot with basically a new roster and will probably sneak into the playoffs. He loves Howell.

https://fanrecap.com/article-120578/...mLpjT7S2_xe_BM

[skinsfaninok]

RW , Brees , Baker etc. All 6"1 and under QBs. All 3 have had success and 2 are HOF QB's.

If you have a smaller QB you design plays for them. EB has no done that, he just throws quick game most of the time... Which is why Sam leads the league in attemps