Trent Williams holding out for new deal

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

How, exactly does this make Allen a snake?

It's so wrong on so many levels. You have a President of a billion dollar company willing to fire someone in order to make a player, who's under contract come back and play. From the outside the only person to blame is TW cause he's too dumb to go to a doctor.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Why are we posting the exact same quotes every time a different source repeats it?

Also, as it relates to this exchange...

Bruce told me he asked Trent “tell me who to fire and I’ll fire them”. Trent’s response “Man, I don’t want to cost nobody their job. I don’t want to put anybody’s livelihood in my hands”

... I think it is very interesting that we're hearing about this from Trent's side of things (via Hall).

If it had come from the redskins camp, it could be seen as the team trying to make Trent look bad. It would appear that the skins were doing everything in their power to make Trent happy, but his problems with the medical staff were never extreme enough to warrant anyone's losing their job. Therefore, it would paint Trent as being greedy and this really being ALL about money. This would make the team look good and Trent look bad. And we would all be questioning the veracity of the exchange.

But, since it came from Trent's side, its quite telling. It does make the team look like its trying to do everything it can to keep him. But it also makes it seem like, the medical staff really WAS a concern for Trent, but when push came to shove, Trent himself realized his concerns may not have been as severe as he thought. It leads me to believe that Trent may now be starting to recognize that perhaps he over-reacted. He's upset about the situation, but now realizes that the medical staff really didn't do anything wrong.

And this all leads me to believe that Trent may not just show up at some point for the sake of money, but that a real reconciliation could occur.

If this take is correct, then kudos to Bruce Allen to presenting things in such terms to Trent to get him to really do some soul-searching to evaluate the situation with his head, and not his emotions. And Kudos to Trent for being open to the possibility that perhaps he was wrong.

Although i am a bit miffed at this entire situation, if Trent Trent comes back with his tail between his legs, I hope the team is not vindictive and everyone -players, coaches, and management, welcome him with open arms. And if Trent continues to perform like he has the past few years - we should negotiate a fair and reasonable extension next year.

[Schneed10]

Everyone in the NFL understand the nature of the business. Players never harbor ill will towards one another for taking steps to get paid what they feel they deserve. There's a definite brotherhood there.

Jay and the coaching staff will be forward-thinking - they'll say to Trent thank God you're back now, I don't care how many games you missed or whatever your reasons were, it's water under the bridge, let's go win some games.

The business part is well understood by all, and as soon as he walks in he'll be welcomed fully and with open arms.

[Chico23231]

Meh...I don't know about brilliantly. If we had something substantial on the table to move Trent, then you would have to consider it. Why? The team by most estimation is a 10 loss team with or without. And Trent is in the last 2 years of a deal...injured a quarter of our games, with a big cap number. We pass on a first and possible more for two more years of Trent? Then the move would be to extend him at some point, right?

Was Trent ever gonna miss game checks...most likely not.

All in all, there was a lot to consider...and while I love Trent and hope to see him out there again, possibly the right move would be to get a high draft pick and more vs just 2 more years of TW.

I don't know if there is really a right answer at this point...always I lean towards the Skins putting the best product on the field...and right now that is with TW in a Skins uniform

[skinsfaninok]

He'll be starting for Dallas week

[calia]

Bruce has not handled this brilliantly. Brilliant would have been avoiding it entirely. When Brian Mitchell is in against the Eagles throwing passes because Keenum and Haskins have been wrecked by the Eagles D line 9is Colt even suiting up?), we'll discuss how brilliant any of this was.

I am usually an optimist, but I really, really have a bad feeling about this weekend.

[Schneed10]

Well come on, it's the Eagles, we'd have a bad feeling about this weekend with or without Trent. The Eagles are one of the favorites to make it to the SB from the NFC. We are... not.

[calia]

I would feel 100X better with Trent playing. Their QB is good, but not elite, nor are their receivers or RBs. Their D line is legit as is their O line, which of course makes the skill position players scarier. Their secondary is fair.

I think they will eat our line alive, and it will be hard to get things going, and however well our D plays, being on the field for 40 minutes will make it impossible to compete.

I do think the difference in having elite LT talent is very significant, which is why those guys get paid so much. And it probably means the difference between competing (even if we were to lose), and getting smoked.

My mother in law is an Eagles fan. I really, really wish Trent were playing. I am not sure how more emphatically I could say this, but imagine me grabbing your lapels and shouting to emphasize the point.

[Warthog]

I agree with you. This whole situation is tough - your team’s best player appears to want to be traded to perhaps the Pats, with the potential of a SB ring, or perhaps the Texans, where he scores a monster contract.

With the normal chaos surrounding this franchise it is a normal reaction to blame Bruce Allen, because he has been the center of player controversy’s before. The only thing that BA could have done different was at least to have fielded the trade calls from the Pats and Texans and see what they were offering. If there really was a 1st round draft pick or even better TWO 1st round draft picks, at least the team could have considered that. Having 1st round draft picks (including a high one for us) means that you can rebuild the OL with elite draft talent in 1-2 seasons, which is exactly what you want for your potential franchise QB.

I just wish the Redskins would acknowledge that this is a REBUILDING SEASON with a rookie QB. Planning for the future. It appears the Redskins were doing everything to keep TW and make him happy, including not even discussing trade options. We’ll see if this strategy gets Trent back. I’d much rather have Penn as a backup than Christian as a backup. If Penn goes down before TW comes back we are really in trouble.

If TW comes back he will be greeted with open arms by the team, especially by Keenum and Haskins. We need him on the OL badly.


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[Back2RFK]

Well it seems Trent Williams is in town and AP talked with him in person last night. Maybe that,s a good sign and top that with what Hall said yesterday maybe we do have hope.

https://www.nbcsports.com/washington...illiams-person

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Back2RFK

Well it seems Trent Williams is in town and AP talked with him in person last night. Maybe that,s a good sign and top that with what Hall said yesterday maybe we do have hope.

https://www.nbcsports.com/washington...illiams-person

I've been burned too many times, gonna have to wait until I see Trent on the practice field talking about "it's all love now, the past is the past" before I become convinced he's back.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by mooby

I've been burned too many times, gonna have to wait until I see Trent on the practice field talking about "it's all love now, the past is the past" before I become convinced he's back.

No shit. The fact he is gonna not be here week 1 is bullshit. Just come in and do your fucking job. You signed a contract, honor it.

[AnonEmouse]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

No shit. The fact he is gonna not be here week 1 is bullshit. Just come in and do your fucking job. You signed a contract, honor it.

Do you say that because hes getting $M's or because you believe any employee should just turn up and honour his contract regardless? Whether he's in the right or not, he felt that his employer had miss treated him and withdrew his labour. Ultimately that's about the only right an employee has if a grievance procedure fails him or doesn't actually exist. Millionaire or not.

He's lost out financially and the team have suffered too, so there's no winner, but hopefully a new CBA includes a better way of dealing with these situations than holdouts etc. Has to be in everyone's interest, because its certainly not in the paying fans interest.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by AnonEmouse

Do you say that because hes getting $M's or because you believe any employee should just turn up and honour his contract regardless? Whether he's in the right or not, he felt that his employer had miss treated him and withdrew his labour. Ultimately that's about the only right an employee has if a grievance procedure fails him or doesn't actually exist. Millionaire or not.

He's lost out financially and the team have suffered too, so there's no winner, but hopefully a new CBA includes a better way of dealing with these situations than holdouts etc. Has to be in everyone's interest, because its certainly not in the paying fans interest.

I haven't heard anything at all of substance that he was treated incorrectly by the Skins. There is a grievance process with the NFLPA, but they have not stepped in. So yes, whether you make $10/hour, or $1000000/hour. IF there is not a substantial basis for a grievance, you should be expected to honor a signed contract. That is a bedrock principle of our economy. The unions are supposed to exist to make sure that the general contracts are rational and look out for employee interests. The fact that the NFLPA screwed up in the last negotiations shouldn't break the contracts Players have signed. If you want guaranteed contracts then fight for them as a union when the CBA comes up for negotiations. If you want a way to reset contract value within the term of the contract then fight for that in the upcoming battle.

But TW does have a contract, with 2 years left, and barring substantial wrong doings by the team he should honor that.

[AnonEmouse]

I get sentiment and the context, and probably as a Brit and seeing the way it works differently with our game of football (indeed how it works globally), I have a different slant. I don't know the detail with TW (who does?), so I'm coming from the perspective of labour relations not the NFL. I simply see a guy who has a grievance that he does not feel was addressed by the team. I don't know if either side handled in a thoroughly proper manner and I don't think either did. I just think there has to be a basis to this (smoke=fire) and a better way of handling it than appears to have happened.

I just feel the line 'You signed a contract, honor it' or variations thereof is a little too hard nosed especially in todays world. If he withdraws his labour, he doesn't get paid, just like anyone going on strike. He has to decide if it's worth the financial loss or not, not us. And I sense he's realising it isn't.