Does character count?

[TheMalcolmConnection]

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA!!

[PSUSkinsFan21]

Originally Posted by Daseal

I know a lot of people who ride bikes that have great characters.

And if they don't make it into work because they crash their bikes popping wheelies like a 12-year-old on a new BMX, do all of their co-workers and thousands of fans suffer? Did they start doing tricks before even getting a license for those bikes?......these people you speak of.

He calls our team out because Joe Gibbs promised to draft him and he wanted to be a Redskin. What an asshole - can you count the number of players upset that they didn't become a Redskin?

I can assure you his frustration and anger were fueled more by his own ego than by his desire to be a member of whatever team happened to be drafting in the top 5 last year

He called himself a soldier. Know what's ironic? It was either on Don & Mike or Ron & Fez. They were talking to a soldier and he compared his unit to a football team. So what? people always have compared football players to soldiers.

I can guarantee you I never have.

Just now it's really a touchy feely subject (stupid).

I have no words that won't get me kicked off this site to respond to this comment.

Let's rename Soldier field, to overpaid physically gifted persons field. I feel someone calling themself a soldier could be a remark of respect too. Football is a violent game where the wars are won and loss in the trenches. It's how it is, you'll never stop the analogies between football and war.

If you really think even the most grueling football game in history has come anywhere close to a war, then we really should just not bother having this conversation.

I promise you, that clause gets broken on a daily basis, even by Redskins players.

Murders get committed every day too, doesn't make it right.

Like I said, NOBODY is going to convince me that Winslow's calling himself a soldier is OK. When's the last time Winslow risked life and limb (literally) for his country? When's the last time he slept in ditch on foreign soil? When's the last time he went without decent food or the comforts of home for months on end? When's the last time he couldn't even see his friends or family for months because he had a job to do? And when's the last time he did all of this for peanuts (instead of millions of dollars) so that young, 20-year-old spoiled brats who have nothing else to worry about except working out, playing a game for a living, and riding around on new high-priced toys could have the freedom to disrespect him by comparing their "heroics" on a football field to that of being a soldier. Seriously, give me a freaking break.

Soldiers compare their teamwork to that of a football team? So be it. They've earned the right to make any comparison they want. Anybody's who ever played football knows what it's like to play football. But don't think for even one second that anybody's who played football knows what it means to be a soldier.

And I'm still waiting for a response on where the need to defend this Punk comes from. Particularly when some of us are so quick to string our own players up for so much less.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

I don't defend what he did, I DO however defend his character. Yes, he did something stupid. Yes, his team, his fans and (possibly) his family will have to pay the reprocussions of his stupidity. It makes him a stupid kid. Does it make him a bad person? Not in my book.

I do agree with you on the soldier comments except for one thing: I could LaVar saying the same thing and we would let it slide (I would not, but I feel the overwhelming majority would). He says stupid things, but I don't put him in the same category of assholes as TO or Randy Moss.

It might just be me, but it's when the venom starts to seep into the locker room and organization is when I feel a player is not a good person and has character issues.

Does he have some growing up to do? Absolutely. And we can say the same for our very own Sean Taylor. I like to laugh and poke fun at what Winslow did, but at the same time I hope his fans and team don't turn their backs, because I would hope to think that we wouldn't for one of our own.

[mooby]

i know a real soldier on a football field. his name is robert mccune. he was a fifth round pick for the skins. he has the right to call himself a soldier. he did risk life and limb for his country. k2 hasn't.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

I agree that him saying that was REALLY corny.

But that's how I leave it. If we are saying that everytime someone comes up with a metaphor and uses it out of context they are stupid, then we are all being a bit hypocritical.

I'm sure there's been times we've all said something out of context and we all know what it meant. I know what Winslow meant. Again, I don't like the guy at all, but I feel like some of us are being very presumptuous in what kind of person he is.

Amen to McCune though. If you're going with the strict interpretation of metaphors, McCune IS a soldier. THAT'S someone with good character (from what I've seen so far).

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Not only that, I think the dictionary defines solider as:

1. One who serves in an army.
2. An enlisted person or a noncommissioned officer.
3. An active, loyal, or militant follower of an organization.

Soldja: a stupid meathead who can't seem to stop getting hurt.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

If you want to go with the dictionary's definition, then we are all "solders" per se of the Washington Redskins.

[PSUSkinsFan21]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

I do agree with you on the soldier comments except for one thing: I could LaVar saying the same thing and we would let it slide (I would not, but I feel the overwhelming majority would). He says stupid things, but I don't put him in the same category of assholes as TO or Randy Moss.

Actually I'd be shocked if LaVar said that considering his father lost both of his legs in the treads of a tank when he was in the military fighting a war. LaVar and his family know all too well what soldiers risk.

I understand your point, but I, for one, could never respect any player that makes the comparison. Redskin or not. If we trade for Winslow tomorrow, I won't change my tune a note.

I do agree, however, that the motorcycle accident alone isn't enough for the fans to turn their backs on him. If he was on my team, that much I would be willing to forgive. For me it's just a combination of all his stupidity, selfishness and ego that I can't stand.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

I know. I have a hard time understanding him too. I just try to give people a chance before completely throwing them to the wolves.

I tried so hard to give TO the benefit and he proved time and again what a real asshole he was.

[PSUSkinsFan21]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

I know. I have a hard time understanding him too. I just try to give people a chance before completely throwing them to the wolves.

I tried so hard to give TO the benefit and he proved time and again what a real asshole he was.

Then you should learn from your mistakes and come to the dark side with me and join me in hating KW II. LOL. You don't want to give KW II the same chance to prove you wrong, do you?

[TheMalcolmConnection]

He's getting close. All he has to do is throw in a shot at his teammates and he's on my shit list. Not like that means a damn thing, but he WILL be on the list.

[Hijinx]

But does anyone think that teams will look at this and say that they need to start taking attitude and character as seriously as they do 40 times?

[TheMalcolmConnection]

I don't think we plan on that. Just discussions... We're not trying to change the world.

[Hijinx]

Sorry I didnt mean this as in this forum I meant the recent news TO's holdout an dKW2's cycle thing.

[PSUSkinsFan21]

Originally Posted by Hijinx

But does anyone think that teams will look at this and say that they need to start taking attitude and character as seriously as they do 40 times?

Honestly? I think the answer is some teams will, and some teams won't, but the teams that will were probably already inclined to do so before these events. I can see the TO and KW events as something the smart teams will point to and say: "see, that's why we take character into account more than 40 times".........But I'm not sure any one or two individual events will change teams' minds who haven't cared up to this point. That's not to say I don't wish it would change the thinking around the NFL, I'm just not sure either of these events are enough to wake up the teams that haven't cared about character up to this point (in other words, Al Davis isn't going to wake up tomorrow and say, "Oh my God, what was I thinking all these years").