Reading between the lines I say Zorn is gone.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by PennSkinsFan

I can only accept it if Vinny goes with him. Vinny drafts. Vinny sings older vets to big money deals. Vinny makes stupid trades. ANDDDDDDDD Vinny hired Zorn. Getting rid of Zorn and keeping Vinny fixes NOTHING.

Amen. The reality is that our coach is irrelevent until we get rid of VC and put a real GM in place. Our talent has at best a 10 win upside if everything goes right. In the 10 years VC has been involved we have never had a roster that had Super Bowl talent.

[30gut]

I thought Vinnie said that yeah Zorn was coming back and that the story about his job being in jeopardy was media driven

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by maroonandblack30

Everything on this board is a "what if"..... You just gave a "what if" scenario yourself. Thats what we do.


Anyway, if Snyder gets rid of Zorn because he has "issues" with the players then this franchise is official doomed until Snyder is gone. "My way or the highway" coaches are the coaches that win in the NFL

"Players" coaches in general don't get it done. Only exception I can think of is Dungy.

So you have been here now less than a month and your telling me how things work on this site. Thanks, I guess it never sank in until you made it clear.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by 30gut

I thought Vinnie said that yeah Zorn was coming back and that the story about his job being in jeopardy was media driven

He did you must have missed what maroonandblack30 posted because this is only a "what if" site.

[maroonandblack30]

Originally Posted by firstdown

So you have been here now less than a month and your telling me how things work on this site. Thanks, I guess it never sank in until you made it clear.

Dude, easy there. I'm saying thats what we as "fans" do... in general not just in regards to this site.

Anyway, I didn't know you had to have tenure on this site before you starting posting. lol. I always find it amusing when guys resort to the "I have been here longer than you arguement" when they finally realize they can't debate a point.

[maroonandblack30]

Originally Posted by firstdown

He did you must have missed what maroonandblack30 posted because this is only a "what if" site.

Not sure what your problem is with me but good luck with that. lol

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by 30gut

I thought Vinnie said that yeah Zorn was coming back and that the story about his job being in jeopardy was media driven

That's pretty much the impression I got.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by celts32

Amen. The reality is that our coach is irrelevent until we get rid of VC and put a real GM in place. Our talent has at best a 10 win upside if everything goes right. In the 10 years VC has been involved we have never had a roster that had Super Bowl talent.

Again, with that whole "real GM" I still don't know what that means exactly.

I'm still a big proponent of giving Scott Campbell a bigger voice in our front office machinations. But in all honesty, I could see him getting the axe if we were to bring in someone like a Cowher (should Cowher want front office say). I still think that by 2010, no matter what happens with Cowher or whoever, Cerrato won't be running the football operations but will still serve with the team in some other executive capacity.

But I digress, as for Vinny, what are we judging him on? Is it 2008, because it's too early to judge this draft class in my opinion and I'll grant you the Taylor trade has hurt us more than it helped. Is it 2004-2007, because you can't really judge him and not remember that Gibbs and even Williams had a large, if not larger than VC, role in the selection of our personnel. Is it 2002-2003, because all he did was hand over to Spurrier anything he wanted (paging Jacquez Green). Here I'll agree with you that his mistake and Snyder's was continuing to bow to Spurrier's wishes (except for a couple of occasions). Is it 2001? Well it can't be obviously. So I guess it's really down to 2000