obama informercial gameday thread

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by saden1

I am off the Obama bandwagon but I despise McCain...what is your point? I no longer volunteer for Obama nor do I donate any money to him any more. Perhaps I shouldn't defend him against falsehoods and invalid accusations?



I still think he's still a wanker trying to get his but he does have the right ideas when it comes a lot of other issues I care about. Again, what is the problem?



LOL...what part of what I wrote offends sensibility? If McCain stands up today and says I plan to appoint Liberal justices who support liberal ideals to the Supreme Court I'll like the plan too.

Saden if I'm correct you said at one time you despise Republicans in general. I could have you mixed up with another poster but I'm about 99% sure it was something you posted.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Saden if I'm correct you said at one time you despise Republicans in general. I could have you mixed up with another poster but I'm about 99% sure it was something you posted.

I despise the Republican Party platform, its leadership in congress, its presidential candidates and its "base" (the batshit crazy people). I don't have a problem with people like Dom Davis, John Warner, and Jeff Flake, my ex-girlfriend, etc, etc.

[MTK]

I think it was Bill Maher that said the right wing "batshit crazy" types, you know the Jesus and guns people should just start their own party, because they are so far from what the Republican base used to be. Hopefully this election will be a wake up call for the Republicans to move away from those wackos. I'm not counting on it though.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I think it was Bill Maher that said the right wing "batshit crazy" types, you know the Jesus and guns people should just start their own party, because they are so far from what the Republican base used to be. Hopefully this election will be a wake up call for the Republicans to move away from those wackos. I'm not counting on it though.

Better hope McCain doesn't win, because all that's going to do is make the batshit crazy types cling stronger to the Republicans.

It's funny because I'm conservative on a lot of things such as spending and most notably crime and punishment (A Dem that favors the death penalty. Go figure) But its the crazy types that start bringing Jesus and gun control and all this other stuff that shouldn't matter as much into it and completely turns me off. Cause I could honestly care less about what people think about Jesus and guns. I'm cool with both.

Plus there's the stuff that I am liberal on like abortion, gay marriage, affirmative action, blah blah blah. That I just can't go right on. I wish there was some middle party I could vote for. I'd be totally down for that.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

Better hope McCain doesn't win, because all that's going to do is make the batshit crazy types cling stronger to the Republicans.

It's funny because I'm conservative on a lot of things such as spending and most notably crime and punishment (A Dem that favors the death penalty. Go figure) But its the crazy types that start bringing Jesus and gun control and all this other stuff that shouldn't matter as much into it and completely turns me off. Cause I could honestly care less about what people think about Jesus and guns. I'm cool with both.

Plus there's the stuff that I am liberal on like abortion, gay marriage, affirmative action, blah blah blah. That I just can't go right on. I wish there was some middle party I could vote for. I'd be totally down for that.

there's the libertarian party, but they're basically about privatizing social security and then a bunch of vague policy stands (cut entire governmental departments (pass more control back to states), protect privacy, equal rights)...

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I think it was Bill Maher that said the right wing "batshit crazy" types, you know the Jesus and guns people should just start their own party, because they are so far from what the Republican base used to be. Hopefully this election will be a wake up call for the Republicans to move away from those wackos. I'm not counting on it though.

Reminds me of Bill Hicks.

YouTube - Bill Hicks - Christ and Christians

[saden1]

Originally Posted by mheisig

Like I said, empathy is important - but it's one important trait amongst many.

Obama offered no other criteria (at least in that quote) and leads you to believe that his judge appointments will be based solely on whether the judge is empathetic or not.

Empathy is important, without a doubt. I would argue, though, that while it's important, it's certainly not THE most important or the only criteria by which a judge ought to be measured.

And the most important criterion would be?

[saden1]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I just think it's interesting that you mention your frustrations with Obama in passing while still voting for him, by the same token you mention where you agree with McCain in passing while focusing on his "incompetence"

I mean, in my opinion, the minute you wrote your the Republican base is all about guns, greeds, gays and God reminds you of an odious tampon I sort of figured your posts moving forward would be as balanced as Buster's or 70Chip's. Which honestly let me down.

Oh well, you're still cool in my book. Just disappointed with the shift in your political threads to what strikes me almost as one-sided anger

If it seems it's in passing, well, my beef with Obama is roast beef thin while my beef with McCain is meatloaf with all the fixing thick.

The party is bad, really bad. It's god awful man. Buster? 70Chip maybe, but Buster? That ain't right.

I'm not angry, I'm just hungry. Give me change so it can rain again.

[Dirtbag59]

I just can't believe that the American people are more then willing to give complete control of the government to a party after the debacle with the Republicans earlier in the decade. I mean what are the Democrats going to do better without someone to keep them in check? The only check they have is in 2010 when the next round of elections is set to be held.

Right now with what I'm hearing about congress and Iraq being almost over I would want McCain to win. We can't give a party complete control over the government it's political suicide but most voters seem to be Bret Farve esque when it comes to making decisions. They think that since the Republicans were in office when all this happened then putting the Democrats in office will fix everything. It's like "oh we just elected the wrong party."

Power corrupts; Absolute power corrupts absolutely

In truth I would like to get rid of the Republicans and Democrats but that doesn't seem to be a very viable option.

Another thing about Obama, I know this is conservative rhetoric, but him and his party can't get his story straight when it comes to his tax cuts ($250k, $200k, $150k) and by nature politicians don't keep promises once they get elected into office (*cough* Bush, modest foreign policy*cough*) . I mean at the very least we had the Bush tax cuts extending to 2010 but with absolute power in the government the Democrats will be able to repeal them and create a tax code that probably isn't very beneficial to a struggling economy. In fact the only thing in the way of Obamas massive spending plan is the recession and the bailout, but if I'm not mistaken Clinton raised taxes on his 35th day in office after making similar promises during his campaign.

The funny thing is I like Obama. I think he can be a great leader, in some ways he'll definatley help with the countries image over in Europe and the rest of the world, but some of his proposals are on the extreme side (ie his desire for a spending spree during a recession) and without someone to keep him in check I fear the worst. With that said I don't believe he's a socialist just like I don't believe John McCain is the huge war mongerer people make him out to be.

By the way this is propoganda from both sides. Obama isn't getting rid of capitalism anytime soon and the ironic thing is socialist scoff at the idea of Obama being a "true" socialist or even a semi "socialist." McCain on the other hand might be more apt to fight but his dedication to Iraq before everything calmed down as of late was mainly because he doesn't want to have to go back (think Afghan-Soviet conflict and Japan after WWII). McCain knows what it's like on the front lines, he understands the horrors of war and he doesn't take pride in knowing that soliders are dying. Look either way we're still going to Afghanistan but at least Iraq is almost behind us.

Also for the record my political views are libertarian.

[dmek25]

dirt, for the most part, i agree. but after the G.O.P had 6 years of totally screwing up Washington, im willing to give the Dem's a chance to see if they can get anything done. because of the divide between the parties, a republican congress would get nothing but grid lock. this will be the first time, in a long time, i vote strictly party

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by saden1

I despise the Republican Party platform, its leadership in congress, its presidential candidates and its "base" (the batshit crazy people). I don't have a problem with people like Dom Davis, John Warner, and Jeff Flake, my ex-girlfriend, etc, etc.

As long as you don't have a problem with me. I mean I don't care for the Democratic party basically spending the last 8 years as a party of excuses and victimization. Obama seems to be shifting away from that mentality. So i don't have a problem with him, my fiancee, you, the Hamburglar, etc. etc.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

As long as you don't have a problem with me. I mean I don't care for the Democratic party basically spending the last 8 years as a party of excuses and victimization. Obama seems to be shifting away from that mentality. So i don't have a problem with him, my fiancee, you, the Hamburglar, etc. etc.

I have a huge problem with the Hamburglar, did you see who he's endorsing!?

[firstdown]

Obama has talked several times about brother helping brother but I guess he does not think of his Aunt as one of his brothers or he wants the tax payers to help out his Aunt (his form of brother helping brother). He also wants us to believe that he did not know she has been illegaly living in the US for 4 years? OK. This is his Aunt that he talked about in his first book he wrote.

[MTK]

Interesting timing on the release of that "news". Just more negativity from McCain. Yawn.

[SmootSmack]

It's unfortunate that so many elements of McCain's campaign have been negative to the point that any and all questionable news related to the Barack the Teflon Don is cast aside as another negative attack.