Is Tom Brady the best QB ever?

The Gremlin · 01-26-2008, 01:28 AM

Id say Brady is a good QB but its hard for me to say he is a great QB. I have watched the Pats for years because I hate them and in my honest opinion it is a true team. I think Brady can make good throws and lead the team but I dont think he is a Montana, Elway, or a Marino. I really believe the Patriots teams are just a well oiled machine that is build by a great system that lets players play to there strengths. I think Brady is a really good QB but watching him play he isnt in the great class imo. Before this season his numbers werent really eye popping. Just my opinion. HTTR.

wilsowilso · 01-26-2008, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by The Gremlin

I really believe the Patriots teams are just a well oiled machine that is build by a great system that lets players play to there strengths. I think Brady is a really good QB but watching him play he isnt in the great class imo. Before this season his numbers werent really eye popping. Just my opinion. HTTR.

Keep telling yourself Brady is a system quarterback. Don't be blinded by numbers.

dmek25 · 01-26-2008, 12:12 PM

how can people that say Brady is a systems qback, keep including Troy Aikman on any top 10 list? he was the ultimate systems qback, surrounded by stars

GTripp0012 · 01-26-2008, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by wilsowilso

Keep telling yourself Brady is a system quarterback. Don't be blinded by numbers.

Explain?

I don't really see where objective evidence tries to prove that Brady is a system QB. I totally disagree with the gremlin on this one, but by the tone of the response, it's almost like you are just assuming the evidence points to that.

It doesn't.

wilsowilso · 01-26-2008, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Explain?

I don't really see where objective evidence tries to prove that Brady is a system QB. I totally disagree with the gremlin on this one, but by the tone of the response, it's almost like you are just assuming the evidence points to that.

It doesn't.

Ha! I was making two seperate points, but I see now that it looks like I was addressing the system quarterback statement with an assault on the stats argument.

GTripp0012 · 01-26-2008, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by wilsowilso

Ha! I was making two seperate points, but I see now that it looks like I was addressing the system quarterback statement with an assault on the stats argument.

yeah...

DCUNITEDFAN · 01-26-2008, 06:06 PM

Montano.

The Gremlin · 01-26-2008, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by wilsowilso

Keep telling yourself Brady is a system quarterback. Don't be blinded by numbers.

I watched him play before this year. He wasnt great.

zyvo23 · 01-26-2008, 09:55 PM

Elway. He got to 5 SBs and led his team to game winning TDs in big games. He had very little supporting cast.

Montana. Same as above, but had Rice, Clark, etc.

Brady. Wins a ton, but never gets the gw TD. How good would he be if Vanderjagt were his kicker?

SmootSmack · 01-26-2008, 10:45 PM

Cold, Hard Football Facts.com: The definitive list: Top 10 NFL quarterbacks

GTripp0012 · 01-26-2008, 10:49 PM

That's a really, really airtight case for Starr.

I'll still take Marino, but reading that article has definately improved my opinion of a guy who I thought was more of a system QB.

The rest of their list is meh, but I do support the Graham inclusion.

The Gremlin · 01-26-2008, 10:52 PM

Id say Montana, Marino, Elway, Unitas, and Baugh in my top 5.

onebum · 01-27-2008, 12:44 AM

He has a Great offensive line, 2 great/good recievers and one good one, a good TE, a good running back, and a very good/great defense.

Think about the situations he has been in this year, and how many current QBs would have great seasons on that same team...10 others? 15 others? That many would not set the records he did, but heres what I think..

I think there are about 15 current NFL QBs put on THAT team with a few years in their system would also be skipping the first round of the playoffs....and a couple of them would have been setting records as well.

my 2 cents

prinzeofmoval · 01-27-2008, 04:22 AM

the most exciting ever by far is Brett Farve

sancho2613 · 01-27-2008, 04:34 AM

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the most exciting ever by far is Brett Farve

I agree with you there.....

01-26-2008, 01:28 AM	#76
The Gremlin Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Virginia Beach, Virginia Posts: 41	Re: Is Tom Brady the best QB ever? Id say Brady is a good QB but its hard for me to say he is a great QB. I have watched the Pats for years because I hate them and in my honest opinion it is a true team. I think Brady can make good throws and lead the team but I dont think he is a Montana, Elway, or a Marino. I really believe the Patriots teams are just a well oiled machine that is build by a great system that lets players play to there strengths. I think Brady is a really good QB but watching him play he isnt in the great class imo. Before this season his numbers werent really eye popping. Just my opinion. HTTR.

01-26-2008, 12:12 PM	#78
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 63 Posts: 10,672	Re: Is Tom Brady the best QB ever? how can people that say Brady is a systems qback, keep including Troy Aikman on any top 10 list? he was the ultimate systems qback, surrounded by stars __________________ "It's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt." courtesy of 53fan

01-26-2008, 06:06 PM	#82
DCUNITEDFAN Camp Scrub Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 7	Re: Is Tom Brady the best QB ever? Montano.

01-26-2008, 09:55 PM	#84
zyvo23 Camp Scrub Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Columbia, Md Posts: 5	Re: Is Tom Brady the best QB ever? Elway. He got to 5 SBs and led his team to game winning TDs in big games. He had very little supporting cast. Montana. Same as above, but had Rice, Clark, etc. Brady. Wins a ton, but never gets the gw TD. How good would he be if Vanderjagt were his kicker?

01-26-2008, 10:45 PM	#85
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Is Tom Brady the best QB ever? Cold, Hard Football Facts.com: The definitive list: Top 10 NFL quarterbacks __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

01-26-2008, 10:49 PM	#86
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 36 Posts: 15,994	Re: Is Tom Brady the best QB ever? That's a really, really airtight case for Starr. I'll still take Marino, but reading that article has definately improved my opinion of a guy who I thought was more of a system QB. The rest of their list is meh, but I do support the Graham inclusion. __________________ according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

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The Gremlin Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Virginia Beach, Virginia Posts: 41	Re: Is Tom Brady the best QB ever? Id say Montana, Marino, Elway, Unitas, and Baugh in my top 5.

01-27-2008, 12:44 AM	#88
onebum Camp Scrub Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: The cheap seats, though I always have plans to move to a luxury booth. Age: 45 Posts: 57	Re: Is Tom Brady the best QB ever? not yet He has a Great offensive line, 2 great/good recievers and one good one, a good TE, a good running back, and a very good/great defense. Think about the situations he has been in this year, and how many current QBs would have great seasons on that same team...10 others? 15 others? That many would not set the records he did, but heres what I think.. I think there are about 15 current NFL QBs put on THAT team with a few years in their system would also be skipping the first round of the playoffs....and a couple of them would have been setting records as well. my 2 cents __________________ Da Bum

01-27-2008, 04:22 AM	#89
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