Gregg Williams has to go

jdlea · 11-22-2006, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Jason72

LOL, Williams and Gibbs are being roasted by most in the media and many fans. In many cases it is probably more than they deserve.

People forget the fickle nature of the NFL. Teams are up one season and down the next. Take the Bucs for example, they don't bring in many FA's every year and yet they fell just like we did. In spite of this well known fact, everyone seems to think that all our problems will be solved if we just start "building through the draft". Newsflash: 31 teams attempt to build through the draft and not all of them are good.

Dude, I said the NFL is a fickle beast in my post...lol. I still think a lot of fans pull punches out of respect for Gibbs and Williams. If this were Steve Spurrier and Marvin Lewis, they wouldn't be getting this kind of leeway.

However, I don't necessarily think that is a bad thing. These guys have earned the right to stay through a bad season. Firing the coaches would be a horrible idea right now.

dmek25 · 11-22-2006, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by jdlea

These guys have earned the right to stay through a bad season. Firing the coaches would be a horrible idea right now.

i totally agree, although i think coach gibbs needs to be more involved in the every day coaching part of it

Beemnseven · 11-22-2006, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason72

... Take the Bucs for example, they don't bring in many FA's every year and yet they fell just like we did. In spite of this well known fact, everyone seems to think that all our problems will be solved if we just start "building through the draft". Newsflash: 31 teams attempt to build through the draft and not all of them are good.

I don't think anyone suggests that having a full complement of draft picks will magically turn the Redskins around. In fact, their history with draft picks has been notoriously bad except for a few here and there.

The issue is, that of the two strategies, we know which one clearly doesn't work -- but this organization simply refuses to see it, but they do the same thing year after year, expecting a different result.

There has to be a monumental shift in the personnel decision making with this team. One can only hope that a business man as savvy as Dan Snyder is will someday recognize it, and he'll turn things over to the professionals. And unfortunately, that doesn't include Joe Gibbs.

Jason72 · 11-23-2006, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by The Zimmermans

Other teams build in the draft, and all of them have good seasons here or there. We never have good seasons, cause we are always rebuilding. With old washed up FAs, you always must rebuild at year end.

We never have good seasons? Did you sleep through 2005?

Jason72 · 11-23-2006, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I don't think anyone suggests that having a full complement of draft picks will magically turn the Redskins around. In fact, their history with draft picks has been notoriously bad except for a few here and there.

The issue is, that of the two strategies, we know which one clearly doesn't work -- but this organization simply refuses to see it, but they do the same thing year after year, expecting a different result.

There has to be a monumental shift in the personnel decision making with this team. One can only hope that a business man as savvy as Dan Snyder is will someday recognize it, and he'll turn things over to the professionals. And unfortunately, that doesn't include Joe Gibbs.

Wow, what a statement. The truth is the first two years of this regime brought mostly great player acquisitions, including some good draft choices such as Cooley and Taylor. Charley Casserly spent the 90's attempting to build through the draft and it was the worst era in recent Redskins history.

My point was and is that you don't have to follow the herd. You can build a very effective team through FA if you do it right. It's no different than drafting, you have to pick the right guys. They missed this year, just like many teams will discover they missed at their drafting. Mark my words, Gibbs will get this thing right before he leaves!

dmek25 · 11-23-2006, 01:18 PM

you are right. and the proof is that every team has the same amount of draft picks every year. what they do with them is up to that team.

Jason72 · 11-24-2006, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by espn.com

Smoot, 27, was signed by the Vikings as an unrestricted free agent in 2005, landing a six-year, $34 million contract that included nearly $11 million in signing and roster bonuses. But in his two seasons with the team, Smoot, who began his career with the Washington Redskins in 2001, has appeared in only 20 games and has just two interceptions.

A few things come to mind when i see this:

1) in light of the FA vs. draft discussion on this thread, we were in a loose/loose situation here. We drafted Smoot and on the draft build theory should have given him this money to stay. That would have been a mistake. Of course we replaced him with Rogers who hasn't been great either.

2)Smoot probably would have fared better ( and us too ) if he had stayed in Washington for slightly less money.

3) I would like to get him back if they dump him, at a reduced rate of course.

dall-assblows · 11-24-2006, 09:02 PM

GW seriously has to go now. or at least his 25 member coaching cabinet.

dmek25 · 11-24-2006, 09:26 PM

can someone explain to me the fred smoot love fest? he could have stayed, but the grass always looks greener... he is an average corner at best. is it because he is a good talker? or a fan favorite? maybe tafkas can expand on this

Pocket$ $traight · 11-24-2006, 09:31 PM

I say give Williams another year but hold him accountable. He needs to be broken down so he becomes hungry like he was in '04

dall-assblows · 11-24-2006, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Grim21Reaper

I say give Williams another year but hold him accountable. He needs to be broken down so he becomes hungry like he was in '04

exactly, take him from his high horse

Pocket$ $traight · 11-24-2006, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by dmek25

can someone explain to me the fred smoot love fest? he could have stayed, but the grass always looks greener... he is an average corner at best. is it because he is a good talker? or a fan favorite? maybe tafkas can expand on this

When you have 1 average to above average corner and the rest are below average. Average looks pretty good...

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 11-24-2006, 10:35 PM

Top 10 defense two years in a row and an injury-plagued horrible defense in the third season. Sorry, I'm willing to give the guy the benefit of the doubt for another season.

Uggggg....I want to puke.

Jason72 · 11-24-2006, 10:43 PM

Knock him off his high horse?

He'd have 10 job offers in one day!

We can't on one hand criticize the franchise for not being stable, then in the next breath demand they fire one of the best defensive coaches in the league for one off season.

Who do you bring in that will do better?

12thMan · 11-24-2006, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason72

Knock him off his high horse?

He'd have 10 job offers in one day!

We can't on one hand criticize the franchise for not being stable, then in the next breath demand they fire one of the best defensive coaches in the league for one off season.

Who do you bring in that will do better?

I think Blache would be the logical replacement.

11-23-2006, 01:18 PM	#81
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 63 Posts: 10,672	Re: Gregg Williams has to go you are right. and the proof is that every team has the same amount of draft picks every year. what they do with them is up to that team. __________________ "It's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt." courtesy of 53fan

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dall-assblows The Starter Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: round the way Age: 41 Posts: 2,211	Re: Gregg Williams has to go GW seriously has to go now. or at least his 25 member coaching cabinet. __________________ SOMEBODY PINCH ME

11-24-2006, 09:26 PM	#84
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 63 Posts: 10,672	Re: Gregg Williams has to go can someone explain to me the fred smoot love fest? he could have stayed, but the grass always looks greener... he is an average corner at best. is it because he is a good talker? or a fan favorite? maybe tafkas can expand on this __________________ "It's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt." courtesy of 53fan

11-24-2006, 09:31 PM	#85
Pocket$ $traight Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Fairfax, VA Age: 48 Posts: 4,261	Re: Gregg Williams has to go I say give Williams another year but hold him accountable. He needs to be broken down so he becomes hungry like he was in '04

11-24-2006, 10:35 PM	#88
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 45 Posts: 8,317	Re: Gregg Williams has to go Top 10 defense two years in a row and an injury-plagued horrible defense in the third season. Sorry, I'm willing to give the guy the benefit of the doubt for another season. Uggggg....I want to puke.

11-24-2006, 10:43 PM	#89
Jason72 Special Teams Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Virginia Beach, VA Age: 52 Posts: 114	Re: Gregg Williams has to go Knock him off his high horse? He'd have 10 job offers in one day! We can't on one hand criticize the franchise for not being stable, then in the next breath demand they fire one of the best defensive coaches in the league for one off season. Who do you bring in that will do better? __________________ A fool finds no pleasure in understanding but delights in airing his own opinions.

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