Brett Favre Decision

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Let's take a look at his actual numbers rather than just throwing around claims about him being any more reckless in the past few years vs. Favre in his early years.

Last year was the first time since 1993 that he's thrown more INTs than TDs.

Alright, well, I looked over his actual numbers and the way I read them, he had 23 picks in 1999 and 22 TDs.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I don't think his game dropped off that much last year, but the team round him did. The injuries piled up and by the end of the year he was throwing to guys like Rod Gardner and handing off to Sam Gado for petes sake.

But we're Redskin fans. We don't go by numbers or statistics.

AnE1 hOo iznt a ReDskIn sukZ, LoLz, WTF!!1!

[That Guy]

his bullying javon into camp without a new contract (and javon getting hurt and favre not stepping up to help him get the contract money that injury cost him) was crappy

the constant "i might retire" thing the last few years is kinda crappy (how about not mentioning it till it actually happens, instead of using it as a convenient and constant guilt trip).

refusing to help rogers is a bit crappy of him too.

yes, he's been through a lot, but most people don't take 3+ years to make a decision on retiring. He' really over-milking this thing and the media is being a bit too helpful.

Not saying he's a terrible player, etc etc, but he surely isn't perfect either.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Well, last year Farve wasn't better than Brunell...that's a fact!

Yeah, last year Mark Brunell's numbers were better with Clinton Portis and Santana Moss than Favre's were with Donald Driver and Samkon Gado. What an accurate gage...

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Fine, if it makes you happy, I'll retract my statement about his poor play as a factor for "the past few seasons". Yes, he's put up a hell of a lot of stats and more than likely gets into the HOF. But let's not lose ourselves in orgasmic convulsions about the notion that somehow he single-handedly carried the Packers to winning records since '93. There are other guys on those Green Bay teams who dominated the game at the time, along with a superb collection of coaches that put it all together. No, I don't take anything away from his accomplishments, but by the same token, I don't think we can dismiss his 67 interceptions over the past three seasons at some pretty inopportune times that no one seems to care about.

I won't however, allow his current demonstrations of being a whiney little bitch take away from my overall dislike for the man. Not to mention this long held love affair the media has for their Golden Boy.

Of course he's not single handedly responsible for the Packers success, who's saying that he is? Besides, what player in NFL history has been single handedly responsible for any long-term success of a team??

But you can't deny he's been a huge part of it. I can't imagine the Packers having anywhere near the same kind of success they've had over the last 14 years with someone else playing QB.

Yeah he's thrown 67 INTs over the last three years, but you also failed to mention he threw 82 TDs over that same time.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by That Guy

his bullying javon into camp without a new contract (and javon getting hurt and favre not stepping up to help him get the contract money that injury cost him) was crappy

If Moss decided to hold out this season, and Brunell made a similar comment, you'd all be saying "Brunell's right, and Moss needs to stop being a punk".

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by jdlea

Yeah, last year Mark Brunell's numbers were better with Clinton Portis and Santana Moss than Favre's were with Donald Driver and Samkon Gado. What an accurate gage...

I tell you what....stats aside, God forbid Huddle see this, Brunell was a better decision maker last year and cost his team less mistakes.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Alright, well, I looked over his actual numbers and the way I read them, he had 23 picks in 1999 and 22 TDs.

Oversight on my part, so the first time since '99 and only the 2nd time since '93.

At least we're dealing in some facts now rather than gut feelings.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I tell you what....stats aside, God forbid Huddle see this, Brunell was a better decision maker last year and cost his team less mistakes.

True. But Brett Favre has never been the best decision maker in the world. He relies on his rare abilities. That said, I often wish there were a lot more Brett Favre in Mark Brunell. I would rather see him throw picks on 4th and the game than take sacks or try to run for 14 yards. I guess it depends on what you're looking for.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

At least we're dealing in some facts now rather than gut feelings.

It was never my point to make scientific calculations of my opinion about Brett Farve, nor to back them up by statistics or mathematical equations. And I don’t deny his place in the history books of the NFL. I believe his so-called “commitment” to his team only if they have a chance to win to be pathetic and cowardly. That confirms my feeling about him being a whiney little putz. And if any Washington Redskin ever threatened the same, I would be furious.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by jdlea

True. But Brett Favre has never been the best decision maker in the world. He relies on his rare abilities. That said, I often wish there were a lot more Brett Favre in Mark Brunell. I would rather see him throw picks on 4th and the game than take sacks or try to run for 14 yards. I guess it depends on what you're looking for.

No, don't get me wrong, Brette is or at least has been a helluva QB. And I agree with your sentiment that Brunell could use a little more of that "gunslinger" mentallity. But based on last year's performance alone, I take Brunell everyday, with or without Portis and Co.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

No, don't get me wrong, Brette is or at least has been a helluva QB. And I agree with your sentiment that Brunell could use a little more of that "gunslinger" mentallity. But based on last year's performance alone, I take Brunell everyday, with or without Portis and Co.

That's just where you and I differ on this subject. I look for a guy to make plays. Not just "not screw up" 90% of the time and rarely, if ever, take shots.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

If Moss decided to hold out this season, and Brunell made a similar comment, you'd all be saying "Brunell's right, and Moss needs to stop being a punk".

except he did hold out while getting his contract worked out and most people here understood that without the contract he couldn't risk an injury. It got taken care of, he came in and everything was fine. Such situations happen all the time; players need to protect their incomes. I don't think javon was being greedy at the time.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by jdlea

That's just where you and I differ on this subject. I look for a guy to make plays. Not just "not screw up" 90% of the time and rarely, if ever, take shots.

I think given Mark's abilities he took ample "shots" down the field, but honestly they really are two different QBs from a physical standpoint.

I think the fundamental difference is that they both play to their abilities and have gotten results. The one thing that Farve has proven, perhaps more than any QB in history, is that he is one durable son-of-gun!

[gibbs4life]

he,s coming back,especiallyif lavar wants to go to green bay.....

he will be back..