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09-04-2012, 08:50 AM | #79 |
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My hopeless optimism must be kicking in, I think this team can go 9-7 and be in the wildcard hunt.
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09-04-2012, 08:56 AM | #80 |
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Same boat here. If Bob can approximate the type of player many think he can be then he could be worth 3 wins over last year. If we get more performance out of other positions (just a little which isn't a crazy thought since Bob could bring everyone's game up) then we're talking 10 wins maybe. Not in the "likely" category but not as crazy as the "experts" would have everyone believe.
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09-04-2012, 09:00 AM | #81 | |
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1. The final 2009 roster that he inherited was probably one of the worst in the entire NFL. Just for context our leading rusher that day was Quinton Ganther. Our leading receiver, Malcolm Kelly, our second leading tackler was Kareem Moore.. Our WR depth chart was Moss, Randle-El, Thomas, Kelly and former great Marko Mitchell. Our RB were Quinton Ganther and Marcus Mason. Our OL that day was Stephon Heyer, Dockery, Rabach, Edwin Williams and Levi Jones. Our DL featured Andre Carter, Phillip Daniels, Corneilus Griffin, Albert Haynesworth, Renaldo Wynn and Anthony Montgomery-ALL of which are now out of the league. Matter of fact 33 of the 53 man roster on the final day of that season are no longer in the NFL. Hell, even 10 of the 12 on our injured reserve are out of the league! (only Doughty and Rinehart remain) There was not much to build on at all and only 2 top level players in Rak and Fletcher. A complete overhaul was needed. Gibbs left Zorn an old, mismatched roster that was built for a 2008 playoff run but no long term sustainability. That's why the comparisons to the Lions and 49ers are flawed, they had SOMETHING to build off of. This was a 3-4 year project to begin with. Quick final note to add, from the 5 draft classes that preceded Shanahan there are a total of 4(!!!) players on the 2012 roster. Reed Doughty, Fred Davis, Rob Jackson and Brian Orakpo. 4 players from 5 classes and only 2 starters. By far the worst in the league. 2. This is the first fully functional offseason of his tenure. 2010 had stunted free agency because of the labor discord and 2011 of course had the lockout and no offseason program. For most teams it didn't have the same impact as it did with us but don't discount the time that was missed. Even this offseason was impacted by the cap penalties, but that was self inflicted. Those are the major factors of why I give the coaching staff a 'pass' from the previous two years. No question mistakes were made. Campbell could have been retained to play out his contract rather than wasting time and picks/money on McNabb, Rex and Beck. They probably could have done a complete housecleaning in 2010 and not tried to 'go for it' with old retreads like Willie Parker, Larry Johnson and Joey Galloway. The Jammal Brown debacle could have been avoided. For the coaching side, I've got no issues with Kyle YET-but let's see what he does now that he has talent that can execute his scheme. Haslett has been fine, we improved in '11 and should do so again in '12.
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I think this team has made significant strides in organization and acquiring talent for long term success. As others have noted, the prima donnas are gone. Universally, the players comment on the fairness of the coach in all competitions.
The Shannies have made a couple of their own blunders, McNabb being the most obvious one. Grossman/Beck? ehhh. Not a lot of options out there last year and certainly no one for whom it was worth trading the farm. At the same time, the McNabb fall-out put them in a hole of their own making as to the QB. Personally, I think the rot was deep in the organization when Shanny got here and that it was due to Mr. Cerrato. An aging team with talent needed to be rebuilt both in terms of its depth and in terms of the culture of favoritism that seemed to exist within the building. I mean, if it was obvious to the fans, I would imagine it was pretty obvious to the players. How many times did we comments from departing players during the Cerrato era "they'll value guys outside the team more than the guys who grew up here" (I think that was a pretty close quote from either Antonio Pierce or Ryan Clark). As others have said, it is now all up to Shanny's roll of the dice with RGIII. Barring the wheels coming off the machine (which I think highly unlikely), I think Shanahan has guarranteed he gets his 5 years at this point. I am optimistic. I think, though slighty less talented than the team he inherited, Shanahan has built a younger, deeper team that has talent and depth. The top 22 may not be as talented as the team he inherited, but I think the top 40 are much, much more talented than the top 40 of the team he got. Wins and losses are the bottom line and Shanahan has yet to produce that. Personally, I think this is the year he does. We play a tough, tough schedule so I don't think we make 12 wins, but I think double digit wins are attainable if RGIII puts in a year as good as or better than A. Dalton did last year. We don't need Cam Newton numbers but we do need solid play. I believe RGIII will do that based on what I have seen. Now, if you pardon me, I have a whole gallon of kool-aid to finish. P.S. - It's all Vinny's fault.
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Here is an interesting article that could lend some hope as well. Redskins wins in 2012: How many you got? Given how close we were in so many games, and we did it with a turnover machine at QB. Rex could move the ball, but when it comes to the redzone, you need one of three things imo (All three would be near unstoppable in the redzone) 1) You need a tall receiver to go up and make a catch over the DB's. We didnt have that. 2) You need a QB with a gunslinger arm. So they can fit the ball into tight spaces since the end zone brings a lot less space for the DB's to cover. Grossmans major problem, he tried to be Brett Favre while possessing a noodle arm. Interception, here I come. 3) You need a dominant power running OL. Which will most likely never happen in a ZBS. Im intentionally not including a running attack from the QB since I want RG3 to stay healthy. Cam Newton/Tim Tebow proved that can work as well. We had zero of 3 last year. If RG3 develops, we have 1 of 3, and if Briscoe develops, we may have a second. He showed some of that last year in Tampa. With a QB like Grossman, you need to hit on a whole lot of long distance TD's because he wont get it done on a regular basis in the red zone, he just doesnt have the arm. Not to mention that he doesnt have the arm to connect on many long passes. Im still not predicting a winning season, but if we stay relatively healthy, I believe 8-8 or close is realistic. |
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I'm ready to kick back and enjoy the show. I love Griffin as a prospect and I'm excited to see what Kyle can do with him. Bring on the pistol formation and the read-option baby! |
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09-04-2012, 10:55 AM | #85 | |
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5 wins in 2011 +1 win from our young players developing +3 wins because we now have a QB and won't start Beck sum: 9 wins
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The thing is about the QB situation, what could he have done differently that would have been significant? Because of the dearth of talent on the team, it's not like we could have thrown in someone else and been instant playoff contenders. Shanny has done a great job improving our front 7 on D without breaking the bank, and that process takes time. We would have been set at secondary if Landry had stayed healthy and if we weren't handcuffed by that absurd DHall contract. There are certainly areas of the team lacking talent, but he just hasn't had the ammunition to address them all in the short time he's been here. Okay, I'll concede we could have used the picks we gave up for mcnabb and jammal, but if brown had been able to stay healthy that would have been a great move to get a 1st round pick RT. Bottom line: like everyone's said, everything he's done so far pales in comparison to the RG3 move. He's made a hell of a lot better decisions than Vinny, but his career still rests with RG3's success or failure |
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We have a tough schedule this year but 9-7 doesn't seem that farfetched to me. We beat the SB champion Giants twice last year and that doesn't happen very often. We should be much improved this year and if our online can get and stay healthy that will be a definite plus. Also can anyone remember having faith in our QB to get the job done last year? Even with Cousins I feel better about the position and he's a backup.
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I look at the last 2 years as the team needing to take a couple of steps back in order to move forward.
This is the year I'm expecting that step forward in the win column. |
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