The Sam Howell Thread

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by mredskins

If that story is true , just LOL

What fucking quality OC is going to be excited to come here and be told he has a one game wonder QB to work with.

Until this franchise is sold everything is moot; we are officially in the lame duck mode.

If i was a OC of any worth i wouldn't come here; this franchise could be sold tomorrow and RR and his staff asked to pack their shit and move on.

Nothing of substance can happen here until its sold. It be like if you and your wife were house shopping but also filed for divorce.

I think it just depends on that OC's evaluation of Howell. If he thinks he can work with him and this offense, then I believe it would be a good opportunity. If the franchise is sold the day after he comes aboard, who cares. He signed a contract, will be paid accordingly, and he can move on.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

I think it just depends on that OC's evaluation of Howell. If he thinks he can work with him and this offense, then I believe it would be a good opportunity. If the franchise is sold the day after he comes aboard, who cares. He signed a contract, will be paid accordingly, and he can move on.

Great but they still want build a career; that would solve a short term problem (feeding your family) but if i was building a coaching career i want go somewhere where i could highlight my skill set and then eventually be promoted.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Howell QB1?

If I am reading correctly the OC won’t get a say in the starting QB? Seems kind of silly but par for the current regime

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

If I am reading correctly the OC won’t get a say in the starting QB? Seems kind of silly but par for the current regime

I've lost any faith in Ron bit it doesn't sound crazy to me to say to candidates "we're looking for someone who believes in/is willing to work with this kid". As long as it is a coach (and not owner) induced decision, I have no issue with it.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

I've lost any faith in Ron bit it doesn't sound crazy to me to say to candidates "we're looking for someone who believes in/is willing to work with this kid". As long as it is a coach (and not owner) induced decision, I have no issue with it.

I guess I feel the coordinator should have some autonomy over their players if they feel there is a better match on the roster. Regardless I hope our sports media does ask why Howell wasn’t good enough to start week 17 but after his performance in week 18 where he threw for 57% completion and a 45 qbr he is the 2023 starter. Either way sounds like a major fuck up. I like what Howell did in game I think we have a Daniel Jonesesque qb and we can work with that I just question RRs decision process.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

I guess I feel the coordinator should have some autonomy over their players if they feel there is a better match on the roster. Regardless I hope our sports media does ask why Howell wasn’t good enough to start week 17 but after his performance in week 18 where he threw for 57% completion and a 45 qbr he is the 2023 starter. Either way sounds like a major fuck up. I like what Howell did in game I think we have a Daniel Jonesesque qb and we can work with that I just question RRs decision process.

Oh for sure, that's fair. Like I said I'm at the point where Ron doesn't have any other merit than being a nice guy.

As for the OC having some autonomy over players, I agree... once he's in place. But having some pre-requisite through the recruiting process doesn't sound crazy.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

If I am reading correctly the OC won’t get a say in the starting QB? Seems kind of silly but par for the current regime

When does the OC solely decide who is the QB? If they are doing this, I'm fine. Be upfront: this is the QB you'll get to work with. You need to come in and figure out a way to make him successful with solid running game and some very good receivers.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

When does the OC solely decide who is the QB? If they are doing this, I'm fine. Be upfront: this is the QB you'll get to work with. You need to come in and figure out a way to make him successful with solid running game and some very good receivers.

Not sure I would say solely but I do think they should have a say in who plays

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

When does the OC solely decide who is the QB? If they are doing this, I'm fine. Be upfront: this is the QB you'll get to work with. You need to come in and figure out a way to make him successful with solid running game and some very good receivers.

It’s still incompetent to go out and get a guy who the OC doesn’t want. OC needs to be a voice in the room in the QB decision.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Well, that's exactly what could happen here. If someone accepts the OC position and has success with Howell (or whoever), is able to turn this into a top 15 offense in the league, he will get another opportunity elsewhere, if not here, with the potential to be promoted just like any successful OC.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

Well, that's exactly what could happen here. If someone accepts the OC position and has success with Howell (or whoever), is able to turn this into a top 15 offense in the league, he will get another opportunity elsewhere, if not here, with the potential to be promoted just like any successful OC.

Exactly. Said this is another thread, but the quasi certainty of the HC being out next season might make the OC position even more attractive to someone confident he can have immediate success. Uncertainty ? Yes, for sure. But that can be said of a lot coordinator positions. And one other way to look at it could be "potential short cut to the HC job".

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[jamf]

Howell QB1? FU Rivera.
Heinicke had to tell you to start him in a garbage time game now he is your QB1? Dumb ass mother fucker.

New owner is cleaning house. New OC has no shot of staying on.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by jamf

Howell QB1? FU Rivera.

Heinicke had to tell you to start him in a garbage time game now he is your QB1? Dumb ass mother fucker.



New owner is cleaning house. New OC has no shot of staying on.

Is that a certainty ? What if that OC just had a second year QB lead one of the most explosive offense in the league ? Wouldn't the owner want to be the good guy that gives an up and coming coach a shot at HC ? Also saving him the headache of an HC search that he has zero experience conducting. As new owner he'll have a lot on his plate. And maybe he'll want to focus on the branding aspect of things, who knows.

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[jamf]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

Is that a certainty ? What if that OC just had a second year QB lead one of the most explosive offense in the league ? Wouldn't the owner want to be the good guy that gives an up and coming coach a shot at HC ? Also saving him the headache of an HC search that he has zero experience conducting. As new owner he'll have a lot on his plate. And maybe he'll want to focus on the branding aspect of things, who knows.

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I would hope the new owner would bring in a GM or president to run the team.
I don’t need Jeff Bezos or Jayz talking Xs and Os.


Explosive Offense? We can wish but that would have to start with elite Oline play.
Likelihood of converting these bums to an elite group is slim.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by jamf

I would hope the new owner would bring in a GM or president to run the team.

I don’t need Jeff Bezos or Jayz talking Xs and Os.





Explosive Offense? We can wish but that would have to start with elite Oline play.

Likelihood of converting these bums to an elite group is slim.

Agreed on the Oline part. As for the explosive offense I'm not saying it's the most likely scenario, but it's a possibility that a confident OC could envision, we still are packed with skill positions players.

Good point about the GM/Team President.
But this would go to my point: if the new owner has smart people doing the coaches hires, then they wouldn't let a promising OC get away from them.

Again I'm not talking likelihood, I'm saying an OC confident in himself could look at this roster AND situation and think "yeah, I'm good enough to get this to work in my favor".

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