Wft quarterback of the future

[Ohioskins]

Well Dallas kind of depends on how hard a line they want to draw with Dak. But yes, San Diego and Cincinnati may be willing to trade down since they both have their QB's of the future. Now if we could get in the range for Fields, let's go for it. Would be kind of humorous if Fields replaces Haskins with Washington just as he did at OSU.

[Number44]

I'm not so sure Cincy will want to trade down. They almost surely will take Sewell if NYJ and JAX take QBs as expected. They need to shore up the OL to protect Burrow. His injury underscores that. I don't see them passing up on the #1 OL in the draft.

[EdmundDorf]

Originally Posted by Number44

I'm not so sure Cincy will want to trade down. They almost surely will take Sewell if NYJ and JAX take QBs as expected. They need to shore up the OL to protect Burrow. His injury underscores that. I don't see them passing up on the #1 OL in the draft.

I think you are probably right but they did draft a Left tackle last year and they could probably get 2-3 good interior guys for their first pick, which may tempt them.

[AnonEmouse]

I can only see the draft as the option to upgrade QB. Haskins isn't it; Sunday pretty much confirmed that. He might improve with a lot of coaching and mentoring, but that's not the NFL. Maybe he gets lucky and goes to a team with an incumbent vet that can use him as a project, but that's not WFT.
But I'm concerned that if we do win the division and pick around 19th, we don't reach or make a bad trade.

I don't get to see much CFB over here, so I can pretty much only go by YouTube. I'm inclined to trust Kyle Smith but he hasn't drafted a QB yet, and I don't count Haskins as his choice. I'm not convinced about Fields but he's probably gone top 5 so not our problem. If Wilson is there at our pick then I would take him, but he might benefit from time behind/mentored by Smith. Lance worries me with his accuracy issues. Seems a poor man's Jackson to me. Trask intrigues me, the only downside seems to be his athleticism; does he have enough mobility for the modern NFL? I'd take a chance on him and work around his running ability if he's there at our spot and rated up there, but I wouldn't reach for him. I commented on Mac Jones earlier, and he looks raw to me with a poor arm.

Let's see where we finish the season and therefore pick. Seems the more successful we are this season the worse off we are after it! 🤨🤪

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by AnonEmouse

I can only see the draft as the option to upgrade QB. Haskins isn't it; Sunday pretty much confirmed that. He might improve with a lot of coaching and mentoring, but that's not the NFL. Maybe he gets lucky and goes to a team with an incumbent vet that can use him as a project, but that's not WFT.
But I'm concerned that if we do win the division and pick around 19th, we don't reach our make a bad trade. I'm inclined to trust Kyle Smith but he hasn't drafted a QB yet, and I don't count Haskins as his choice. I'm not convinced about Fields but he's probably gone to 5 so not our problem. If Wilson is there at our pick then I would take him, but he might benefit from time behind/mentored by Smith. Lance worries me with his accuracy issues. Seems a poor man's Jackson to me. Trask intrigues me, the only downside seems to be his athleticism; does he have enough mobility for the modern NFL? I'd take a chance on him and work around his running ability if he's there at our spot and rated up there, but I wouldn't reach for him. I commented on Mac Jones earlier, and he looks raw to me with a poor arm.

Let's see where we finish the season and therefore pick. Seems the more successful we are this season the worse off we are after it! 🤨🤪

Speaking strictly in terms of draft position, perhaps. However, I wouldn't say the team is worse off for winning. That's what we're building here, right - a winning culture?

I'd much rather pick 32nd every year than in the top 15.

[AnonEmouse]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

Speaking strictly in terms of draft position, perhaps. However, I wouldn't say the team is worse off for winning. That's what we're building here, right - a winning culture?

I'd much rather pick 32nd every year than in the top 15.

True, hence the emojis. 😁

But I'd rather pick 32 with a franchise QB already in place than still looking for one. 😊

[Number44]

Originally Posted by AnonEmouse

I commented on Mac Jones earlier, and he looks raw to me with a poor arm.

Wow. I can't imagine what games you have seen to come away with this take on Mac Jones.

[skinsfan69]

The plan should be what Kansas City did. If you want to keep Smith for next year fine. But the number one priority for next year should be drafting the QB of the future.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

The plan should be what Kansas City did. If you want to keep Smith for next year fine. But the number one priority for next year should be drafting the QB of the future.

It just isnt that simple. We have holes to fill so we are not going to reach for one early. That would be a mistake. I would much rather have a stud o lineman in the first and a corner in the second that can step right in for example. We could take one after that and call him the quarterback of the future but who knows if he will be. Look at our history with first rounders for Gods sake.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

How did Joe Gibbs win? Were any of his QB's stars besides Theismann? Next year barring injury we are going to be stacked on both sides, we have some really good players on IR even though unproven, my gut tells me Charles, AGG, Love and maybe even Ruben Foster will pan out. We need someone to manage the ball not a superstar.

I'm intrigued with Steven Montez, maybe with some coaching and mentoring he could rise above Allen and Haskins. I hope he goes to camp next year.

As much as I love Joe Gibbs for being the best coach we've ever had, I don't believe the argument that a team can win today in the style that Gibbs won in the 80's is relevant. First of all, Gibbs is a unicorn, in that there is no other coach in history that won 3 SB's with 3 different qb's.

Second of all, the rules of today are more favorable towards teams with elite qb's who put up big numbers.

For reference, let's look at the Super Bowl winners dating back to 2000:

Mahomes, Brady, Foles/Wentz, Brady, P. Manning, Brady, R. Wilson, Flacco, E. Manning, Rodgers, Brees, Roethlisberger, E. Manning, P. Manning, Roethlisberger, Brady, Brady, Gannon, Brady, Dilfer.

Now, let's exclude the GOAT because if the model you're trying to build is duplicating the success of the greatest QB/HC the league has ever seen you're gonna have a bad time. What do we have left?

Mahomes x1 (elite)
Foles/Wentz x1 (obviously a one-off at this point)
P. Manning x2 (elite)
Russ Wilson x1 (another elite HOF-tracking qb, noticing a trend here?)
Flacco x1 (along with Eli, the modern day example of combining above-average with clutch performance and a great D to win a title)
Eli Manning x2 (the formula is above average statistical -aka not elite- + clutch + great d = Super Bowl contender/winner)
Rodgers x1 (elite)
Brees x1 (elite)
Roethlisberger x2 (borderline elite + great d)
Gannon x1 (above average + great d)
Dilfer x1 (game manager + HOF worthy D)

Let's break it down another way:

Elite - Mahomes, Peyton Manning, Russell Wilson, Rodgers, Brees, Roethlisberger = 8 titles (14 if you count Brady, which you should absolutely should because Brady has been elite every year until this year). So that's 14/20 titles.

Game manager to above average statistical combined with a clutch performance here and there and a great defense - 6 titles (Eli Manning x2, Foles/Wentz, Flacco, Gannon, Dilfer)

In conclusion, yeah you can win a title in today's NFL when you combine a great defense with an above-average qb capable of clutch performances, but the odds are lower than finding a stud qb and surrounding him with a quality team (that is still gonna need some clutch performances on top of that). It's incredibly hard to win a title in today's NFL, just ask above-average elite qb's like Deshaun Watson, Matt Ryan, Matthew Stafford, Philip Rivers, Kirk Cousins, Lamar Jackson, Cam Newton, Dak Prescott - all guys who were considered above average/had statistical success at some stage in their careers but have never hoisted a Lombardi).

But the odds are higher if you build a solid team in all 3 aspects and also have a great qb capable of pulling off clutch performances on the NFL's biggest stage. Me personally, our defense (while good) has not achieved elite status -yet- and even if it did I'm not sold that Alex Smith is the guy that you can combine with a great defense to win a title. Alex Smith's biggest strength is not making mistakes/turnovers. He's not a playmaker. He's not gonna razzle/dazzle you on occasion. If the defense has a good day and the running game is functioning, that's good enough to win more often than not. But is he going to bail you out when those other units are having bad days? No. Can he serve as a capable bridge qb until the next long term quy is ready to play? Yes. But that's his ceiling as far as I'm concerned.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by punch it in

It just isnt that simple. We have holes to fill so we are not going to reach for one early. That would be a mistake. I would much rather have a stud o lineman in the first and a corner in the second that can step right in for example. We could take one after that and call him the quarterback of the future but who knows if he will be. Look at our history with first rounders for Gods sake.

This is correct, but I’ll say now that we have the football guys making the choice at QB...if they love someone that’s a fit for the offense and culture, get him in the first. Get that extra year in the contract and get him now with Smith is on the team.

[Ohioskins]

Jones does not seem to have an elite arm. And it seems like every team Alabama plays is overwhelmed by the total talent of the Alabama team not by anything that Jones does in an elite manner.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by mooby

As much as I love Joe Gibbs for being the best coach we've ever had, I don't believe the argument that a team can win today in the style that Gibbs won in the 80's is relevant. First of all, Gibbs is a unicorn, in that there is no other coach in history that won 3 SB's with 3 different qb's.

Second of all, the rules of today are more favorable towards teams with elite qb's who put up big numbers.

For reference, let's look at the Super Bowl winners dating back to 2000:

Mahomes, Brady, Foles/Wentz, Brady, P. Manning, Brady, R. Wilson, Flacco, E. Manning, Rodgers, Brees, Roethlisberger, E. Manning, P. Manning, Roethlisberger, Brady, Brady, Gannon, Brady, Dilfer.

Now, let's exclude the GOAT because if the model you're trying to build is duplicating the success of the greatest QB/HC the league has ever seen you're gonna have a bad time. What do we have left?

Mahomes x1 (elite)
Foles/Wentz x1 (obviously a one-off at this point)
P. Manning x2 (elite)
Russ Wilson x1 (another elite HOF-tracking qb, noticing a trend here?)
Flacco x1 (along with Eli, the modern day example of combining above-average with clutch performance and a great D to win a title)
Eli Manning x2 (the formula is above average statistical -aka not elite- + clutch + great d = Super Bowl contender/winner)
Rodgers x1 (elite)
Brees x1 (elite)
Roethlisberger x2 (borderline elite + great d)
Gannon x1 (above average + great d)
Dilfer x1 (game manager + HOF worthy D)

Let's break it down another way:

Elite - Mahomes, Peyton Manning, Russell Wilson, Rodgers, Brees, Roethlisberger = 8 titles (14 if you count Brady, which you should absolutely should because Brady has been elite every year until this year). So that's 14/20 titles.

Game manager to above average statistical combined with a clutch performance here and there and a great defense - 6 titles (Eli Manning x2, Foles/Wentz, Flacco, Gannon, Dilfer)

In conclusion, yeah you can win a title in today's NFL when you combine a great defense with an above-average qb capable of clutch performances, but the odds are lower than finding a stud qb and surrounding him with a quality team (that is still gonna need some clutch performances on top of that). It's incredibly hard to win a title in today's NFL, just ask above-average elite qb's like Deshaun Watson, Matt Ryan, Matthew Stafford, Philip Rivers, Kirk Cousins, Lamar Jackson, Cam Newton, Dak Prescott - all guys who were considered above average/had statistical success at some stage in their careers but have never hoisted a Lombardi).

But the odds are higher if you build a solid team in all 3 aspects and also have a great qb capable of pulling off clutch performances on the NFL's biggest stage. Me personally, our defense (while good) has not achieved elite status -yet- and even if it did I'm not sold that Alex Smith is the guy that you can combine with a great defense to win a title. Alex Smith's biggest strength is not making mistakes/turnovers. He's not a playmaker. He's not gonna razzle/dazzle you on occasion. If the defense has a good day and the running game is functioning, that's good enough to win more often than not. But is he going to bail you out when those other units are having bad days? No. Can he serve as a capable bridge qb until the next long term quy is ready to play? Yes. But that's his ceiling as far as I'm concerned.

Between 2000 and 2019 there were 56 qb's drafted in the first round. Here is a good article ranking them: https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/...k1gnhl9iqrp2pg

Of the 7 you listed as elite: 4 were 1st rounders, 3 were outside of the first round, and adding in that Rodgers was selected at pick 24, where we almost certainly will be picking before, that means half the qb's you list elite available would theoretically be available when we pick, and also 53 selections that the teams got wrong.

My point is that what is important is that you pick the right qb, and that comes down to Front Office - GM, Scouting and Coach. Now, with the WFT you have the added question of whether the owner will nose around in the selection, and that is where success this year gives RR the extra credibility to keep Dan Snyder at bay.

As for Alex, he is one of those 53 1st rounders, and he certainly is above game manager level. He has that knack to lead winning teams.

[rocnrik]

This team has everything in place except QB to make a run at a super bowl ...good coaching a very good D ( need very little there) .. add a WR opposite of terry ..it’s all there EXCEPT QB ...what do we do ??? One player away .. how far could we go with Brady back there ?? You guys don’t think there is a vet QB out there that we could bring in and spend our draft on WR, OL , LB , DB ... and go win ..

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by rocnrik

This team has everything in place except QB to make a run at a super bowl ...good coaching a very good D ( need very little there) .. add a WR opposite of terry ..it’s all there EXCEPT QB ...what do we do ??? One player away .. how far could we go with Brady back there ?? You guys don’t think there is a vet QB out there that we could bring in and spend our draft on WR, OL , LB , DB ... and go win ..

Why is everyone saying add another WR? We have AGG and Harmon, they both will pan out. I hope they activate AGG this week and use him, I know he can produce.