Redskins at Bucs game thread

[paulskinsfan]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

So what do you suggest? Fire Gibbs? Wasn't the big complaint prior to Gibbs 2.0 that there was no stability because of Snyder? I'm all for POSITIVE change, but to declare Gibbs 2.0 a "total failure" and $***can him is pretty inaccurate and would do accomplish nothing but damaging the franchise further. Gibbs wasn't exactly handed a Superbowl contender 4 seasons ago.

Have there been mistakes made by Gibbs, absolutely? But, I think a majority of the problems have been with the coordinators and Gibbs' biggest mistake has been being to loyal to them and I think he was too loyal to Brunnel also.

Make your excuses for him all you want. Ultimately the head coach must bear the weight of a losing team. This is a losing team. Gibbs has the talent here, but poor coaching, poor personnel decisions and poor execution = another season of mediocrity. This team is 8-8 at best, and if that's the best he can do, then I say hire a GM and Russ Grimm.

[chrisl4064]

Originally Posted by theJBexperience

That is true, but despite all those mistakes, they've been putting him in a position to win a game each week, and he can't do it.

oh i totally agree, but when people tell me hes young and needs to develop im wondering how even if he was ridiculously good if he could handle other veteran players fumbling and dropping balls. there are a lot of problems with this team.

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

I'm glad u came on here,with your connections is there any way you can get word to gibbs that everyone knows when jason lifts his leg in the shotgun the ball is snapped? thats happened every time he fumbles,he's making it way to easy for other teams to anticipate the snap

smootsmack,you still here?

[chrisl4064]

Injuries had nothing to do with this game. We have been doing quite well with adjusting to the guys we have. The coaches had all week to prepare with the players available. The fumbles by veteran players placing a young QB in a tough situation is what lost this game for us. Campbell of course is also to blame because this will not be the last time he will be expected to lead us out of a mess. But bottom line is our key veteran guys let us down today.

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Check the stats, someone just posted that Romo has 28 starts and JC 18. And a full 2 seasons of learning on the bench certainly does count into a QB's development.

I want to see those stats,my research shows romo with no starts in 03,04,05,started week 8 last yr,that doesnt add up to 28-18

[Rhaamses]

Originally Posted by paulskinsfan

Make your excuses for him all you want. Ultimately the head coach must bear the weight of a losing team. This is a losing team. Gibbs has the talent here, but poor coaching, poor personnel decisions and poor execution = another season of mediocrity. This team is 8-8 at best, and if that's the best he can do, then I say hire a GM and Russ Grimm.

The only resume on Monster.com for GM is Casserly. I agree that we need one, but where do you go? There needs to be some young upstart. College players are different now. The NFL is different. Personally, I would have preferred a Bethard hire over a Gibbs hire. If we make a change in coaching (Gibbs will step down - he will not be fired), I'd rather see Cower than Grimm. Mainly because if Cower is here, Greg Williams is gone.

[Rhaamses]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

I want to see those stats,my research shows romo with no starts in 03,04,05,started week 8 last yr,that doesnt add up to 28-18

10 starts in '06 and 11 in '07. But again, do the number initial starts really matter? If they do than the 11 career stats of Derek Anderson would make him 3 time better than Romo with far inferior talent surrounding him. And this is guy who would even have 9 starts this year if Brady came to camp on time. Right????

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by paulskinsfan

Make your excuses for him all you want. Ultimately the head coach must bear the weight of a losing team. This is a losing team. Gibbs has the talent here, but poor coaching, poor personnel decisions and poor execution = another season of mediocrity. This team is 8-8 at best, and if that's the best he can do, then I say hire a GM and Russ Grimm.

No excuses, all I want is this franchise to be a Superbowl contender year in and out. You are absolutely right on the Head Coach being responsible for the success/failure of his team. But, we do not currently have playoff caliber talent on this team right now. Campbell will get there, but this is essentially still his first season, Portis is past his prime and not a good fit for our offense, or WRs are awful, our OL is playing with a backup RG & RT (an undrafted FA). On defense, our DL scares no one, Washington has been hurt, Fletcher is an All-Pro level player, our corners are average at best, Landry is a rookie and Taylor is out. Poor execution has nothing to do with coaching, that is on the players.

Are Greg Williams and Al Saunders good coordinators, I don't think so. Have the poor personnel decisions been their fault, yes. Lloyd and Randle El were hand picked by Saunders and Archuletta was hand-picked by GW. Gibbs isn't going to throw those guys under the bus, but I've said in other posts, after the season, Gibbs needs to go into the front office as the GM with complete control and a new coach needs to be brought in.

Is Russ Grimm the answer at Head Coach, I don't know. Arizona isn't blowing the doors of the offensive stat categories and Pittsburgh didn't last year either.

[Rhaamses]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

No excuses, all I want is this franchise to be a Superbowl contender year in and out. You are absolutely right on the Head Coach being responsible for the success/failure of his team. But, we do not currently have playoff caliber talent on this team right now. Campbell will get there, but this is essentially still his first season, Portis is past his prime and not a good fit for our offense, or WRs are awful, our OL is playing with a backup RG & RT (an undrafted FA). On defense, our DL scares no one, Washington has been hurt, Fletcher is an All-Pro level player, our corners are average at best, Landry is a rookie and Taylor is out. Poor execution has nothing to do with coaching, that is on the players.

Are Greg Williams and Al Saunders good coordinators, I don't think so. Have the poor personnel decisions been their fault, yes. Lloyd and Randle El were hand picked by Saunders and Archuletta was hand-picked by GW. Gibbs isn't going to throw those guys under the bus, but I've said in other posts, after the season, Gibbs needs to go into the front office as the GM with complete control and a new coach needs to be brought in.

Is Russ Grimm the answer at Head Coach, I don't know. Arizona isn't blowing the doors of the offensive stat categories and Pittsburgh didn't last year either.

Never have truer word come from the Virginia Beach Area!

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by Rhaamses

10 starts in '06 and 11 in '07. But again, do the number initial starts really matter? If they do than the 11 career stats of Derek Anderson would make him 3 time better than Romo with far inferior talent surrounding him. And this is guy who would even have 9 starts this year if Brady came to camp on time. Right????

I dont know what your talking about,I'm just comparing number of starts of campbell and romo,which i dont believe is 28-18,I think romo has 3 more reg season starts than jason,and he just looks like a much better qb

[GusFrerotte]

Well one more year will tell us if JC is the man or not. I would hope if the QB from Mizzou is available we would take him. Tough, cannon arm, quick, can run, smart. JC is good, but we have lost too many games on the last drive as a result of a late turnover as we are trying to stage a comeback like today. Gibbs isn't the man anymore.

[skinsnut]

Hey folks.
I think a lot of the problems have to do with us....the fans.
I haven't said too much this season and am as devistated as everyone on every painful loss....BUT...

This was a 5-11 team last year and the majority of everyone here thought this was a playoff team....I disagreed....I thought this was a 7-9 team, 8-8 at best....and though it is easy to buy into this 10-6 record crap....the defense is not a top 10 Defense...Greg Williams is a lot more passive than he claimed to be....Saunders hasn't done anything different

I've been calling from shotgun and hurry up offense since the beginnning of the season and they only let Campbell do this in the last 3 games.

The truth is....these games are devistating losses because Campbell is keeping it close....our team's talent and coaching is average right now.
Campbell is doing more than we can ask. He will be solid.
We have issues with Oline injuries WR talent, Dback injuries.
Miracuraciouly, the Dline has outperformed our expectations....which most of us are suprised about.

The truth is....this team is better than last year but is not a playoff team....most here are homers and made projections based off of their rose colored glasses....

This is a 7-9 type team....if they play better than that this year, we should be happy....they certainly are keeping us in all games and that is a good thing.

Unfortunately, all these close wins and lossses are giving me an ulcer.

Next year is the only year anyone could possibly project a 10-6 season.

[Rhaamses]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

I dont know what your talking about,I'm just comparing number of starts of campbell and romo,which i dont believe is 28-18,I think romo has 3 more reg season starts than jason,and he just looks like a much better qb

Dude, Read my post. I corrected the misstep by telling you its 21 to 18 that is the three you speaking of - but again, does it really matter when you are not comparing apples to apples. Again if initial stats matter Derek Anderson's 11 make him GOD.

[skinsnut]

Originally Posted by Rhaamses

Dude, Read my post. I corrected the misstep by telling you its 21 to 18 that is the three you speaking of - but again, does it really matter when you are not comparing apples to apples. Again if initial stats matter Derek Anderson's 11 make him GOD.

Rhaamses,
I'm the guy on the chat that you have been giving updates to...thanks so much....too bad it didn't go our way.
BTW....
I love Keenan!
sign him for 2 more years....he is clutch like cooley

[GusFrerotte]

Who is a FA after this season? 10-6 is a very generous mark for this team if we lose some key components. We are a bunch of maroons(Bugs Bunny) and dupes for always buying into the hype surrounding this team. Saunders and Williams are crappy at best. Gibbs is not the same man as in 1981-92, and is only a medicore coach anymore. We keep these maroons around another season, any real talent we have will bolt for other teams, then we will be in a constant state of flux. We are in trouble, big, big, trouble!