Fresh Start Political Thread

[mooby]

Originally Posted by MTK

All this hot air for something very unlikely to happen.

+1

Packing the court wouldn't even be entertained if conservatives respected the idea that SCOTUS is above partisan politics.

Even right now it's only entertained by the most hardcore libs. Good luck getting Joe Manchin to sign off on it.

[punch it in]

Greg Abbott might have jumped Trump on the dumb ladder.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Greg Abbott might have jumped Trump on the dumb ladder.

Might have?

God how fucking oblivious is this guy? He wants "right to choose" when it comes to vaccines. Can't make this shit up.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by MTK

Might have?

God how fucking oblivious is this guy? He wants "right to choose" when it comes to vaccines. Can't make this shit up.

Your right. It is just hard to wrap my head around the fact that Trump has someone beat in the brain department.

[mooby]

Not my argument but I agree with it.

[nonniey]

Originally Posted by mooby

I understand why it isn't your argument as it isn't a good one. The counter argument is the woman already donated her uterus (Ie it wasn't an immaculate conception) so using this analogy she would be arguing that she wants her bone marrow, organ etc back after it has already been provided to the other individual.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by mooby

Not my argument but I agree with it.

I will admit I never heard it put in that way, interesting for sure.

[sdskinsfan2001]

https://www.frc.org/brochure/the-bes...ular-audiences

The link has a PDF. Doubt anyone will read it. But what the hell. It's written towards giving me secular arguments to share with others.

Key part about life begging at conception:

At the moment when a human sperm penetrates a human ovum, or egg, generally in the upper portion of the Fallopian Tube, a new entity comes into existence. “Zygote” is the name of the first cell formed at conception, the earliest developmental stage of the human embryo, followed by the “Morula” and “Blastocyst” stages.

Is it human? Is it alive? Is it just a cell or is it an actual organism, a “being?” These are logical questions.

The zygote is composed of human DNA and other human molecules, so its nature is undeniably human and not some other species.This DNA includes a complete “design,” guiding not only early development but even hereditary attributes that will appear in childhood and adulthood, from hair, sex, and eye color to personality traits.

It is also quite clear that the earliest human embryo is biologically alive. It fulfills the four criteria needed to establish biological life: metabolism, growth, reaction to stimuli, and reproduction. Finally, is the human zygote merely a new kind of cell or is it a human organism; that is, a human being? Scientists define an organism as a
complex structure of interdependent elements constituted to carry on the activities of life by separately-functioning but mutually dependent organs.

The human zygote meets this definition with ease. Once formed, it initiates a complex sequence of events to ready it for continued development and growth: The zygote acts immediately and decisively to initiate a program of development that will, if uninterrupted by accident, disease, or external intervention, proceed seamlessly through formation of the definitive body, birth, childhood, adolescence, maturity, and aging,
ending with death. This coordinated behavior is the very hallmark of an organism.

By contrast, while a mere collection of human cells may carry on the activities of cellular life, it will not exhibit coordinated interactions directed towards a higher level of organization.

My note - All this being said on both sides, I'm sure not 1 person here has changed their mind 1% on either side. Standard Warpath political argument procedure. Go Tampa!

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

https://www.frc.org/brochure/the-bes...ular-audiences

The link has a PDF. Doubt anyone will read it. But what the hell. It's written towards giving me secular arguments to share with others.

Key part about life begging at conception:

At the moment when a human sperm penetrates a human ovum, or egg, generally in the upper portion of the Fallopian Tube, a new entity comes into existence. “Zygote” is the name of the first cell formed at conception, the earliest developmental stage of the human embryo, followed by the “Morula” and “Blastocyst” stages.

Is it human? Is it alive? Is it just a cell or is it an actual organism, a “being?” These are logical questions.

The zygote is composed of human DNA and other human molecules, so its nature is undeniably human and not some other species.This DNA includes a complete “design,” guiding not only early development but even hereditary attributes that will appear in childhood and adulthood, from hair, sex, and eye color to personality traits.

It is also quite clear that the earliest human embryo is biologically alive. It fulfills the four criteria needed to establish biological life: metabolism, growth, reaction to stimuli, and reproduction. Finally, is the human zygote merely a new kind of cell or is it a human organism; that is, a human being? Scientists define an organism as a
complex structure of interdependent elements constituted to carry on the activities of life by separately-functioning but mutually dependent organs.

The human zygote meets this definition with ease. Once formed, it initiates a complex sequence of events to ready it for continued development and growth: The zygote acts immediately and decisively to initiate a program of development that will, if uninterrupted by accident, disease, or external intervention, proceed seamlessly through formation of the definitive body, birth, childhood, adolescence, maturity, and aging,
ending with death. This coordinated behavior is the very hallmark of an organism.

By contrast, while a mere collection of human cells may carry on the activities of cellular life, it will not exhibit coordinated interactions directed towards a higher level of organization.

My note - All this being said on both sides, I'm sure not 1 person here has changed their mind 1% on either side. Standard Warpath political argument procedure. Go Tampa!

First I love how you put actual scientific terms of development stages in quotations. That made me laugh.

I think you know where I stand on a woman's right to choose. I do share your opinion that an embryo, even if it is pretty much a mass of undifferentiated cells is living, it is biological after all. Personally I find abortion to be heinous and I feel sorry for anyone that has made or has to make that decision it cannot be easy.

To me I just don't see how restricting it resolves the issue. We have one of the highest abortion rates of all developed countries and this is despite other countries having far less restrictive abortion laws. To me it is a healthcare issue we have such shitty access to family planning and birth control in this country that there are developing countries with far better reproductive infrastructure than we do (I'm looking at you Thailand). If we really want to have a significant decrease in abortion that is what we would be addressing, but we don't and thus here we are.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

First I love how you put actual scientific terms of development stages in quotations. That made me laugh.

I think you know where I stand on a woman's right to choose. I do share your opinion that an embryo, even if it is pretty much a mass of undifferentiated cells is living, it is biological after all. Personally I find abortion to be heinous and I feel sorry for anyone that has made or has to make that decision it cannot be easy.

To me I just don't see how restricting it resolves the issue. We have one of the highest abortion rates of all developed countries and this is despite other countries having far less restrictive abortion laws. To me it is a healthcare issue we have such shitty access to family planning and birth control in this country that there are developing countries with far better reproductive infrastructure than we do (I'm looking at you Thailand). If we really want to have a significant decrease in abortion that is what we would be addressing, but we don't and thus here we are.

I would like to take credit for that. But I just copied and pasted from the PDF.

Another thing to add to your points, the adoption process is ridiculous both in time and money to get approved. That's another process (much like legal immigration) that needs to be streamlined. It would be helpful if people that were pregnant could be put face to face with future parents that would want to adopt your baby before any decisions are made.

I'm all for spending all resources available (not including making laws against it) on ways to reduce the number of abortions in this country. I can't think of a more worthy cause to spend resources on.

[skinsfan69]

Kamala Harris is about as useful as a can of beans. That is all I wanted to say today about politics.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Kamala Harris is about as useful as a can of beans. That is all I wanted to say today about politics.

What do you want to see from her? Just curious not necessarily agreeing or disagreeing.

[sdskinsfan2001]

White liberal wearing a monkey mask throwing egg at a black conservative. Nothing to see here. There is that liberal tolerance I'm always hearing about.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

White liberal wearing a monkey mask throwing egg at a black conservative. Nothing to see here. There is that liberal tolerance I'm always hearing about.

Just imagine a black democratic governor candidate with the same attacker.

It’s the top story in the world for several days…it would be the most talked about story in the country for multiple weeks and would dominate print media and social media. Hashtags, marches, etc

This isn’t right no matter who is running.

Today’s media is the enemy of the people period. Liberals cowardness to ignore the story is predictable as ever

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Just imagine a black democratic governor candidate with the same attacker.

It’s the top story in the world for several days…it would be the most talked about story in the country for multiple weeks and would dominate print media and social media. Hashtags, marches, etc

This isn’t right no matter who is running.

Today’s media is the enemy of the people period. Liberals cowardness to ignore the story is predictable as ever

You're all over the place with this. First with imaginary scenarios and ending with blaming all of us for ignoring the story?

Oh god the humanity! Won't the egg-throwing ever stop! Where do we draw the line? I haven't seen such sick indifference to human life since Saw 4!

Happy now?