All things Middle East related

[Chico23231]

Charlottesville is peanuts compared to what we have seen

Never want to hear about Charlottesville ever again by these hypocrites and cowards

[sdskinsfan2001]

Iran's president, foreign minister, other officials confirmed dead in helicopter crash

https://www.foxnews.com/world/no-sig...-raisi-leaders

[BaltimoreSkins]

I think it is time for the Biden administration and Congress to buck up and at the very least threaten to withhold funds from Israel. In the span of a week Netanyahu has been culpable in the death of two Americans Hersh Goldberg-Polin and Aysenur Ezgi Eygi. Not to mention the Palestinian Americans and aid workers that were also killed earlier.

I will give the IDF credit they are very good at mistakenly killing people.

We know they won't do the right thing to close to an election to do the right thing.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

I think it is time for the Biden administration and Congress to buck up and at the very least threaten to withhold funds from Israel. In the span of a week Netanyahu has been culpable in the death of two Americans Hersh Goldberg-Polin and Aysenur Ezgi Eygi. Not to mention the Palestinian Americans and aid workers that were also killed earlier.

I will give the IDF credit they are very good at mistakenly killing people.

We know they won't do the right thing to close to an election to do the right thing.

Yeah I disagree with all of our old and new elected leaders on this. I support Israel's right to defend itself, but that doesn't include killing civilians who want nothing to do with that conflict.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by mooby

Yeah I disagree with all of our old and new elected leaders on this. I support Israel's right to defend itself, but that doesn't include killing civilians who want nothing to do with that conflict.

Same, Netanyahu has got to go.

[nonniey]

Originally Posted by mooby

Yeah I disagree with all of our old and new elected leaders on this. I support Israel's right to defend itself, but that doesn't include killing civilians who want nothing to do with that conflict.

Have they killed any civilians that have nothing to do with the conflict? I'm just pointing out there is a distinction. The Iranian shootdown of the Ukrainian passenger plane in Tehran a few years back was an example of killing civilians with nothing to do with the conflict. But the civilians killed in Gaza have a lot to do with the Gaza conflict. Hamas specifically uses them as part of their defensive tactics, as human shields. As for not wanting anything to do with it the vast majority of the civilian adults actively support Hamas in Gaza. With a few exceptions (you will always find war criminal activity in any war) all of Israeli targeting has been legal and within the rules of war (Yes there are rules), while virtually none of Hamas's activities would.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by nonniey

Have they killed any civilians that have nothing to do with the conflict? I'm just pointing out there is a distinction. The Iranian shootdown of the Ukrainian passenger plane in Tehran a few years back was an example of killing civilians with nothing to do with the conflict. But the civilians killed in Gaza have a lot to do with the Gaza conflict. Hamas specifically uses them as part of their defensive tactics, as human shields. As for not wanting anything to do with it the vast majority of the civilian adults actively support Hamas in Gaza. With a few exceptions (you will always find war criminal activity in any war) all of Israeli targeting has been legal and within the rules of war (Yes there are rules), while virtually none of Hamas's activities would.

They have killed Women and Children for God's sake!

[nonniey]

Originally Posted by Giantone

They have killed Women and Children for God's sake!

Who are being used as human shields.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by Giantone

They have killed Women and Children for God's sake!

One of the most unethical military branches in the world over the last 40 years.

Bombed a former school functioning as a refugee center and killed 12 civilians AND 6 UN workers, but to the IDF a kill is a kill is a kill. Although I have heard the IDF does have an exchange rate I am not sure how many humanitarian workers they have to kill to equal one hamas soldier.

Moved refugees to a safe zone and then bomb that safe zone not once but three times. Using bombs on tents, think about it not a hard structure bombs on tents, in an area they control if only they had a better way to find Hamas hiding among the refugees. It is unbelievable they can get away with this. So amoral.

[BaltimoreSkins]

I highly doubt creating IDF safe zones and then killing people inside safe zones is legal in the rules of war. I doubt targeting aid workers bringing food that once again was approved by IDF is legal. Lets be honest the rules of war are really just guidelines and not actual rules a nation has to follow. The IDf is very guide at killing innocent people and then saying "my bad"

Here is another example: https://www.theguardian.com/world/ar...vaccine-convoy

[nonniey]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

I highly doubt creating IDF safe zones and then killing people inside safe zones is legal in the rules of war. I doubt targeting aid workers bringing food that once again was approved by IDF is legal. Lets be honest the rules of war are really just guidelines and not actual rules a nation has to follow. The IDf is very guide at killing innocent people and then saying "my bad"

Here is another example: https://www.theguardian.com/world/ar...vaccine-convoy

No actually they are rules that have to be followed. If you break them you can be prosecuted. (BTW in your example nothing I read would have violated those rules). Problem is most people don't understand those rules which leads to wild claims of war crimes being committed by those following the rules while ignoring the actual war criminals who are violating those rules.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Good to know violating humans rights is allowed in war and you can be excused. Kind of like a doctors note. So American citizens visiting their family and delivering aid is okay and Israel shouldn't be held accountable in your book?

[nonniey]

Have they?

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by nonniey

Have they?

Women and Children .

[Chico23231]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bid...-russia-report

Biden authorizes Ukraine to use US long-range missiles to strike inside Russia

Doing this on the way out of office. Was this done for political purposes? It must be as there can’t be any other reason why it was not done sooner.