The official 2008 draft discussion thread

itvnetop · 04-27-2008, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by jsarno

Seriously...there is no one that thinks Davis is good pick here????

I'm so confident about this pick, I should count for three.

Big C · 04-27-2008, 12:11 AM

vinny and zorn said they picked by their board, the best available. they said they will continue to do that in the following rounds, however they dont think it will be another receiver. zorn also mentioned durability problems with receivers as another reason we took them. he said the davis pick was that obviously he was the best on their board, and it was important in the WCO to be able to change personnel to keep the defenses on their heels more or less. davis will help us be more versatile, and he also mentioned him helping in short yardage

skinsnut · 04-27-2008, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by WillH

how well you think we'll get graded for these picks (not that it means anything)?

We'll probably be graded well because of value of WR's.
We benefitted because they dropped so much.
The true grade is our record next year.

12thMan · 04-27-2008, 12:14 AM

On the offensive line, you have to figure Jon Jansen will be in the mix this season. Like it or not, that's how it's going down. I would also have to think Stephon Heyer, only a second year player, will be better on some mechanics, strength, and maybe add some bulk. Even if he's marginally better, and no on this board would argue that kid more than held his own last year, he's a very solid back up.

Chris Samuels - Let's face it, no one is going to beat him out anytime soon. He's going to play until the wheels fall off. So I don't care how good your left tackle is coming out of the draft, that's just not a position we're looking to make any immediate changes.

Casey Rabach - Again, a very solid player that is possibly the glue to the entire offensive line. He's, and I say only 30 years old right now, and has a lot of years left at that position.

Randy Thomas - What else do we need to say here. Our best all around offensive lineman.

Peter Kendall - Here's a position where the Skins maybe looking to replace a starter, but this year isn't that year.

So from I can see, at best the Skins need to add some depth here and not look for any immediate starters or impact players. You never want to say never, but I just can't imagine the offensive line getting crippled with injuries the way they did last year. No way, no how.

Tha Posse · 04-27-2008, 12:15 AM

I'm thinking we'll see ARE traded for Jason Taylor.

Dirtbag59 · 04-27-2008, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by jsarno

Alright guys, I need good reasons why we took this TE. Here is his scouting report from ESPN:
There were concerns about Davis' ability to stretch the field before the combine, and his slow 40 time backed up what we saw on film. He isn't an overwhelming in-line blocker, either, but he does a good job getting in position and he fights to sustain his blocks. In addition, he has the athletic ability, big hands and long arms to emerge as a reliable possession receiver.

I admittedly know nothing about this guy / pick, but my initial reaction is that we screwed the perverbial pooch. Please give me reasons to get on board with this.

48. Washington Redskins
The pick: Fred Davis, TE, USC

How he fits: Based on the offensive scheme Jim Zorn will run, the two-tight end packages will be key. Davis will allow the Redskins to move TE Chris Cooley all over and create mismatches on offense. There were no other quality tight ends on the roster and Davis fills this need for Washington. `

SmootSmack · 04-27-2008, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

How about a none option to the poll?

The more I think about it the more I like what we came away with when you're talking about value for where we picked these guys.

Start your own damn poll! I'm going to go tear into a steak now, enjoy your soup through a straw

Yeah, go ahead and add that if you want. I wanted to limit the options so people chose either one of the options or just wait for the next poll

skinsnut · 04-27-2008, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Tha Posse

I'm thinking we'll see ARE traded for Jason Taylor.

That would be sick....but its highly unlikely

jsarno · 04-27-2008, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

48. Washington Redskins
The pick: Fred Davis, TE, USC

How he fits: Based on the offensive scheme Jim Zorn will run, the two-tight end packages will be key. Davis will allow the Redskins to move TE Chris Cooley all over and create mismatches on offense. There were no other quality tight ends on the roster and Davis fills this need for Washington. `

That would be nice...Cooley did seem to disappear a little too often last year, and he creates way too many problems to be lost.

The Goat · 04-27-2008, 12:23 AM

Whew! It's like "what the hell happened." First off, I'm very surprised none of you commented on the reaction of Malcolm Kelly when his name was announced. I thought his look was pure disappointment - I could be wrong but holy hell that was the most forced smile I've ever seen. Secondly, lots of us figure Zorn is unhappy w/ our crop of WRs, and that is not totally a surprise. But take a minute to think about what has cost us most in passing production (aside from injuries) and I think many of us have pointed to the dropped passes. So w/ the very first pick we take a guy that the analysts say has had a hard time catching the ball! Seriously?!

All I can figure is what several have already said: a trade of our current lineup seems highly likely. I just can't figure out who or why. If it's Cooley I'm gonna shit myself.

Gtothearry · 04-27-2008, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by skinsnut

That would be sick....but its highly unlikely

Yea, that would be nice but I don't see it happening.

Dirtbag59 · 04-27-2008, 12:24 AM

Rabach seemed to have problems with injuries last year and the team passed up the chance to take Mike Pollack. If Steve Justice falls to that comp pick tomorrowed I'll be stoked for about 2 minutes then the Skins will draft Josh Johnson in which case I'll shrug my shoulders. Johnson isn't a bad pick, but they better take a bunch of lineman next year.

As I said before the matchup problems they'll be able to create with this recieving squad is immense, but if history is any indication our O-Line won't hold up and on top of that they have a poor track record of developing 4th and 6th round picks when it comes to offensive line.

Slingin Sammy 33 · 04-27-2008, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

How about a none option to the poll?

The more I think about it the more I like what we came away with when you're talking about value for where we picked these guys.

Use post # 739 for the "none" option

SmootSmack · 04-27-2008, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Tha Posse

I'm thinking we'll see ARE traded for Jason Taylor.

LOL. I was actually about to say what if we sent our 4th for JT. I like your option much better though

itvnetop · 04-27-2008, 12:26 AM

Most teams that run a two TE set usually have one that's a better catcher and one that's a better blocker. Cooley's definitely the better route-runner, but BFD can catch just as well (he was our leading receiver in our pro-style offense last season). Both of these guys can also block, but now Cooley's going to be able to shift around instead of staying in to help the edge. Oh yeah, Davis can also stretch the field.

Absolute nightmare for opposing defenses.

View Poll Results: WTF Pick of Day One
WR Devin Thomas (34)	18	12.00%
TE Fred Davis (48)	95	63.33%
WR Malcolm Kelly (51)	37	24.67%
Voters: 150. You may not vote on this poll

04-27-2008, 12:11 AM	#782
Big C Mr. Brightside Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Leesburg, VA Age: 38 Posts: 4,453	Re: The official 2008 draft discussion thread vinny and zorn said they picked by their board, the best available. they said they will continue to do that in the following rounds, however they dont think it will be another receiver. zorn also mentioned durability problems with receivers as another reason we took them. he said the davis pick was that obviously he was the best on their board, and it was important in the WCO to be able to change personnel to keep the defenses on their heels more or less. davis will help us be more versatile, and he also mentioned him helping in short yardage __________________ "I don't care what nobody say I'm a be me, stay hood stay real, cause I'm out here grindin'" -Joe Gibbs

04-27-2008, 12:14 AM	#784
12thMan MVP Join Date: May 2005 Location: washington, D.C. Posts: 11,460	Re: The official 2008 draft discussion thread On the offensive line, you have to figure Jon Jansen will be in the mix this season. Like it or not, that's how it's going down. I would also have to think Stephon Heyer, only a second year player, will be better on some mechanics, strength, and maybe add some bulk. Even if he's marginally better, and no on this board would argue that kid more than held his own last year, he's a very solid back up. Chris Samuels - Let's face it, no one is going to beat him out anytime soon. He's going to play until the wheels fall off. So I don't care how good your left tackle is coming out of the draft, that's just not a position we're looking to make any immediate changes. Casey Rabach - Again, a very solid player that is possibly the glue to the entire offensive line. He's, and I say only 30 years old right now, and has a lot of years left at that position. Randy Thomas - What else do we need to say here. Our best all around offensive lineman. Peter Kendall - Here's a position where the Skins maybe looking to replace a starter, but this year isn't that year. So from I can see, at best the Skins need to add some depth here and not look for any immediate starters or impact players. You never want to say never, but I just can't imagine the offensive line getting crippled with injuries the way they did last year. No way, no how.

04-27-2008, 12:15 AM	#785
Tha Posse Special Teams Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Hagerstown, MD Age: 42 Posts: 241	Re: The official 2008 draft discussion thread I'm thinking we'll see ARE traded for Jason Taylor.

04-27-2008, 12:23 AM	#790
The Goat Pro Bowl Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 5,662	Re: The official 2008 draft discussion thread Whew! It's like "what the hell happened." First off, I'm very surprised none of you commented on the reaction of Malcolm Kelly when his name was announced. I thought his look was pure disappointment - I could be wrong but holy hell that was the most forced smile I've ever seen. Secondly, lots of us figure Zorn is unhappy w/ our crop of WRs, and that is not totally a surprise. But take a minute to think about what has cost us most in passing production (aside from injuries) and I think many of us have pointed to the dropped passes. So w/ the very first pick we take a guy that the analysts say has had a hard time catching the ball! Seriously?! All I can figure is what several have already said: a trade of our current lineup seems highly likely. I just can't figure out who or why. If it's Cooley I'm gonna shit myself. __________________ 24-34

04-27-2008, 12:24 AM	#792
Dirtbag59 Naega jeil jal naga Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Atlanta, Georgia From: Silver Spring, Maryland Age: 39 Posts: 14,750	Re: The official 2008 draft discussion thread Rabach seemed to have problems with injuries last year and the team passed up the chance to take Mike Pollack. If Steve Justice falls to that comp pick tomorrowed I'll be stoked for about 2 minutes then the Skins will draft Josh Johnson in which case I'll shrug my shoulders. Johnson isn't a bad pick, but they better take a bunch of lineman next year. As I said before the matchup problems they'll be able to create with this recieving squad is immense, but if history is any indication our O-Line won't hold up and on top of that they have a poor track record of developing 4th and 6th round picks when it comes to offensive line. __________________ "It's nice to be important, but its more important to be nice." - Scooter "I feel like Dirtbag has been slowly and methodically trolling the board for a month or so now." - FRPLG

04-27-2008, 12:26 AM	#795
itvnetop Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Los Angeles, CA Age: 47 Posts: 3,007	Re: The official 2008 draft discussion thread Most teams that run a two TE set usually have one that's a better catcher and one that's a better blocker. Cooley's definitely the better route-runner, but BFD can catch just as well (he was our leading receiver in our pro-style offense last season). Both of these guys can also block, but now Cooley's going to be able to shift around instead of staying in to help the edge. Oh yeah, Davis can also stretch the field. Absolute nightmare for opposing defenses.

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