The Gibbs Hypocrisy!

[joethiesmanfan]

Brunell sucks and Ramsey sucks we got a rookie we are trying to get by until we see if the rook sucks.. thats all, if Ramsey was so good he would be good by now not only is he not good he is a turnover machine. Brunnell is a bubble gum armed Gibbs pick up. Ramsey looks like a deer in the headlights, Brunnell looks like a has been. Ramsey holds the ball and cant throw accurate at all.. Brunnell's mind knows where he wants to go with the ball but his body cant do it. I am sorry fellas but i have given up on Ramsey and Brunnell....No need to argue. just if our o-line can protect Brunnell a little bit he wont turn it over. did you see that play when Gibbs tried to roll Ramsey out the pocket.. the Bears fans at the bar laughed their asses off. its obvious to everyone Ramsey sucks.

[56FAN]

i just wan to win baby, i've liked ramsey from the beginning. but for every good thing he does, he shoots himself in the foot.it's not personal it's just the turn overs. he's been harping on it all preseason and what does ramsey do the first game? turn it over 3 times in the first half.gibbs first loyalty needs to be to winning period. yes, ramsey thows better and stronger and longer but until he gets this turnover thing taken care of he'll continue to be his own worst enemy.i hope he does.

[LadyT]

Originally Posted by offiss

I know this is going to rub a lot of people the wrong way so I will offer an apology to those who take offense, other than that to bad!

Gibbs states that we can't turn the ball over, and he wont tolerate it, Brunell 2004 9 TO's in 9 games. 2 of which directly lost us 2 games.

Gibbs now states that basically Brunells hamstring was the reason why he was as incompetent as he was last season, [maybe the worst QBing we have ever seen] yet he played his best game of the year 1 week after his supposed injury against dallas, and now we here all about his big time hammy.

Gibbs promises Brunell the starters position and gives him 9 games to play himself out of the starters position, given the fact that Brunell is a very experinced veteran who shouldn't need the same kind of a learning curve as let's say a young QB like Ramsey.



Ramsey is promised the starters job, after 1 early INT in his first regular season game with his new recieving corps he begins to move the ball up and down the field, at which point after 19 minutes Gibbs say's he's seen enough and has to go back to the teachers pet before Ramsey possibly does something to prevent him from getting Brunell back to starters status, so he doesn't look like an absolute incompetent fool for making that deal to get Brunell here in the first place. We cannot gloss over the fact that Gibbs cost his employer 42 million dollars, couple that with a system back like Portis for another 50 mil. that sure would motivate me to try and force a square peg through a round hole, imagine having to tell your employer you just cost them almost 100 mil and it's not working. And so long as Ramsey starts, thats what's being said.

Gibbs makes the move, which is probably the first I can remember a QB who is moving the ball, and if not for a lousy call would have just directed a TD drive, yanked, usually a QB is lifted because he can't move the ball, [unless your last name is Brunell] but the switch is made AFTER 1 QUARTER OF THE FIRST GAME OF THE SEASON, then to watch Brunell in almost 3 quarters of play muster up 3 field goals, and 70 yards of passing, and say this is my starter.

Somewhere Bobby Beathard is shaking his head.

You've summed it all up and I agree with you. Hope you've got your flak jacket on though, because the slings and arrows will be coming your way.

BTW - At least 2 sports writers on the Post are just as shocked and befuddled by this as many of us are - read Wilbon and Mike Wise's columns in today's Post. Wise really nails it in his column.

[MTK]

Get out... sports writers are jumping on board against this decision? Who woulda thunk it.

Let me make a bold prediction, I know this might be crazy talk but I feel a scathing Lenny P. article in the works. Yeah I know, crazy, but call it a feeling.

Funny how 99% of the time we blast the writers, but now they're right.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Get out... sports writers are jumping on board against this decision? Who woulda thunk it.

Let me make a bold prediction, I know this might be crazy talk but I feel a scathing Lenny P. article in the works. Yeah I know, crazy, but call it a feeling.

Funny how 99% of the time we blast the writers, but now they're right.

well, its funny how people here blast the writers even when they are right too, just because they don't think we'll be in playoffs every year.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Get out... sports writers are jumping on board against this decision? Who woulda thunk it.

Let me make a bold prediction, I know this might be crazy talk but I feel a scathing Lenny P. article in the works. Yeah I know, crazy, but call it a feeling.

Funny how 99% of the time we blast the writers, but now they're right.

well, for what it's worth, she wasn't quoting FOX News or ESPN, she was quoting The Washington Post.

[Daseal]

Illdefined, you do realize that was last season, it's a different season/situation now?

Redskins rat -- couldn't this same argument be used that Gibbs only success came in the 80's? Isn't the NFL a different situation now? Yet it's still hounded into our head that we should base all of his actions now like he's been in the NFL ever since.

[jgalecpa]

While It is absolutely true that Brunell had an overall lower QB rating last year than PR (74.8 vs 63.0), the turnover stat is way off balance.

PR threw only 14.77% more passes than MB (272 vs 237), but had 83.33% more INT's.

See: http://www.nfl.com/teams/stats/WAS/2004/regular

A mediocre QB sure aint going to win you many games, but he can lose them very quickly.

J

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by jgalecpa

While It is absolutely true that Brunell had an overall lower QB rating last year than PR (74.8 vs 63.0), the turnover stat is way off balance.

PR threw only 14.77% more passes than MB (272 vs 237), but had 83.33% more INT's.

See: http://www.nfl.com/teams/stats/WAS/2004/regular

A mediocre QB sure aint going to win you many games, but he can lose them very quickly.

J

lose games?? while you were looking at those stats, how did you miss that Brunell was the one with the least points and all the L's.

INTs can sometimes be a sideffect of POINTS, something Ramsey got more of and above turnovers, is ultimately the one stat that really determines WINS.

[jgalecpa]

Originally Posted by illdefined

lose games?? while you were looking at those stats, how did you miss that Brunell was the one with the least points and all the L's.

INTs can sometimes be a sideffect of POINTS, something Ramsey got more of and above turnovers, is ultimately the one stat that really determines WINS.

The TD % is not nearly as skewed as the INT %.

The TD % for PR is 3.7% and 3.0% for MB. Not that big a diff., compared to INT's

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by jgalecpa

The TD % is not nearly as skewed as the INT %.

The TD % for PR is 3.7% and 3.0% for MB. Not that big a diff., compared to INT's

whats the W/L%?

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by jgalecpa

The TD % is not nearly as skewed as the INT %.

The TD % for PR is 3.7% and 3.0% for MB. Not that big a diff., compared to INT's

thats still 23.3%, i'd say thats a huge difference.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by jgalecpa

While It is absolutely true that Brunell had an overall lower QB rating last year than PR (74.8 vs 63.0), the turnover stat is way off balance.

PR threw only 14.77% more passes than MB (272 vs 237), but had 83.33% more INT's.

See: http://www.nfl.com/teams/stats/WAS/2004/regular

A mediocre QB sure aint going to win you many games, but he can lose them very quickly.

J

you're forgetting brunells fumbles including ones returned for touchdowns. meaure TOs, not just ints. you also forgot to mention ramsey had 42.8% more TDs.

[ladyfan06]

No One On This Forum Is On Redskins Payroll With Job Title: Coach.
Let Coach Gibbs, Coach This Team. Let's Give Him All The Support We Can...as You Can See The Fans' Support Helps A Lot As In Game 1-costing The Bears 3 Consecutive False Starts Ending At A 3rd And 38 On A Almost Sure-fire Scoring Drive That May Have Costed Us The Game.

Be Supportive Of The Coach, He Has Lead To Greatness Before And I Am Sure As Hell Hoping He Can Lead Us There Again...it Is Only Season 2, Week 2 (coming).

[Redskins_P]

When is everyone gonna stop crying? Whats done is done. Brunell is our QB point blank. Get over it. Please!