Ramsey's last days as a Redskin

joethiesmanfan · 04-21-2005, 05:23 PM

malcolm what if we picked Campbell in teh second round would you agree with that?

TheMalcolmConnection · 04-21-2005, 05:26 PM

I would be OK with that. I just think it's a HUGE waste of a #1 pick on a position we don't need. Again, I'd be OK with that. I wouldn't like the strain (possible) it would put on Ramsey, but I also like the possibility of having a half-way decent backup.

Also, to whoever said Hasselbeck would be gone this year, he signed his deal, so he's back. Just an FYI.

joethiesmanfan · 04-21-2005, 05:28 PM

Well we could also get a good wideout in the 2nd round and the 3rd round get an o-lineman i want o-line dominance. our WR's we can live with with o-line dominance. but i wouldnt pick another linemen in the first round ever again. unless you just deperate at o-line like we were for a minute.

BossHog · 04-21-2005, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by firstdown

...Ramsey did nothing in preseason last year to show he deserved the starting job. After preseason last year it was like pick who did not play the worst and not who played the best. Ramsey is getting somewhat of a second chance to prove he can play in the NFL and if he does not show improvement this year we have no choice but to look in another direction for a QB.

And given the chance to workout in the recent voluntary workout...

wolfeskins · 04-21-2005, 05:32 PM

have you guys heard the rumor that the skins want to trade the 25 pick to the bills (who do not own a first round pick ) for their cb nate clements ? use the 9 pick to get a wr. or trade out of 9 to a later pick but still use it on a wr.

BossHog · 04-21-2005, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by joethiesmanfan

Well we could also get a good wideout in the 2nd round and the 3rd round get an o-lineman i want o-line dominance. our WR's we can live with with o-line dominance. but i wouldnt pick another linemen in the first round ever again. unless you just deperate at o-line like we were for a minute.

In my opinion, I don't think any second round prospects will make the team much better. If we draft a WR it has to be Mike Williams or Matt Jones unless we trade up to get Braylon Edwards.

joethiesmanfan · 04-21-2005, 05:36 PM

Matt Jones is going very early watch what happens on draft day.

firstdown · 04-21-2005, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by joethiesmanfan

Matt Jones is going very early watch what happens on draft day.

I don't know if he will go early first round but I think he will go late first or early second. I have a good feeling about this guy. Its not one of the I look at all his stats good feeling. Its one of he is a gifted athlete and will be a performer if you can just let him play his natural position which seems to be t. A team will take a risk with this guy and will receive a hudge dividen for.

offiss · 04-21-2005, 05:49 PM

Are we to believe that Gibbs traded away next years #1 for a mediocre QB? especially when the QB pool next year is much more talented than this one. If Smith and Rogers were in last years draft they probably wouldn't have been drafted until the second rd. neither 1 of them are better than the top 5 last year, [Is it me or does A.Smith look like the second coming of Heath Shuler?] I will tell you this the QB situation in this draft is the same as when Shuler and Dilfer were coming out, and neither ever panned out, and these 2 will probably never do anything significant in the NFL, and Campbell is rated behind them, amazing! No one had Campbell going in the first rd and now that we make a trade for another 1st rd pick all of a sudden he's 1st rd material?

Everyone say's Gibbs doesn't like young QB's, so we pass up on franchise type QB's last season to draft a mediocre QB this year, and we give up a #1 next season when there will be better QB's avail. to overpay for Campbell this season, this kid is not a great college QB, he is not a phenomenal
athlete, and is probably 3 years away from seeing the field, and we are to believe that Gibbs is going to take on a project like Campbell when in all liklyhood he's done after his 5 year's are up.

It sounds like to me that the media is saying just about anything to create a story, every rumor started is because they saw a player at redskin park or a player we visited as if we haven't visited a multiple of players, my thought is their getting nothing from management and aren't to happy with that so they are needling management with falsehoods and rumor after rumor like they did a few day's ago with Vinny.

There are scouts who believe Campbell was a product of superior talent this season, and thats the reason his stats increased so much this year from his previous years.

If Gibbs draft's this kid with the #25 it will prove he knows nothing when it comes to judging unproven talent, which would explain why he's so in love with free agency, it's much easier to evaluate established talent you just have to pay more for it, I am probably getting ahead of myself here but I was saying the same thing last year when he was targeting Brunell and we all know how that worked out!

joethiesmanfan · 04-21-2005, 05:52 PM

anyone have espn insider they have an article about the redskins making a draft day deal i am not a mmember of their club i want to know what they are saying the link is on the homepage of espn.

BossHog · 04-21-2005, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by offiss

...There are scouts who believe Campbell was a product of superior talent this season, and thats the reason his stats increased so much this year from his previous years. If Gibbs draft's this kid with the #25 it will prove he knows nothing when it comes to judging unproven talent...

Aren't most QBs drafted high in the first round products of teams with superior talent around them? That's like Carson Palmer quarterbacking for the University of the District of Columbia. Go firebirds!

PSUSkinsFan21 · 04-21-2005, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by joethiesmanfan

anyone have espn insider they have an article about the redskins making a draft day deal i am not a mmember of their club i want to know what they are saying the link is on the homepage of espn.

I've posted the draft rumors from the past few days on the ESPN Insider Draft Rumor thread. It's not as earth-shattering as it seems from the title. They just basically said that the skins have contacted the top 4 teams about moving up to, presumably, draft Braylon.

joethiesmanfan · 04-21-2005, 06:23 PM

ohh okay cool

offiss · 04-21-2005, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by BossHog

Aren't most QBs drafted high in the first round products of teams with superior talent around them? That's like Carson Palmer quarterbacking for the University of the District of Columbia. Go firebirds!

Troy Aikmen, John Elway, and plenty of others who weren't surrounded by great talent.

PSUSkinsFan21 · 04-21-2005, 06:32 PM

Just a few thoughts in response to some of the posts on here, and then I have to stop talking about the rediculous "possibility" that we are going to draft Campbell with #25 because it's giving me headache.
I agree that Campbell could be a good backup QB to Ramsey in case of injury, but I don't think the skins are in a position to spend a first rounder on a backup QB. Too many other needs.
I agree that Campbell offers nothing over Ramsey except his mobility.
I'd bet money that Gibbs was at Auburn for Rogers and is simply using the visit now to make a nice big Campbell smokescreen.
The Skins signed Brunell long before Gibbs had a chance to see what Ramsey could do in person. After giving Brunell that contract, they had to make him the starter last year. It's not like Gibbs worked with Ramsey, had him as his QB for a little while, and THEN decided to go out and sign Brunell.
The Skins would be foolish to pass up the talent available at WR and CB in this draft on a second-rate QB.
I agree that this year's QB class is weak at best, and there is no way the skins blew their 2006 draft just to take someone who is only the caliber of Campbell. They're either packaging to move up, making a play for a veteran, or going WR/CB or CB/WR in round 1.

04-21-2005, 05:23 PM	#61
joethiesmanfan The Starter Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,163	Re: Ramsey's last days as a Redskin malcolm what if we picked Campbell in teh second round would you agree with that?

04-21-2005, 05:26 PM	#62
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 44 Posts: 19,264	Re: Ramsey's last days as a Redskin I would be OK with that. I just think it's a HUGE waste of a #1 pick on a position we don't need. Again, I'd be OK with that. I wouldn't like the strain (possible) it would put on Ramsey, but I also like the possibility of having a half-way decent backup. Also, to whoever said Hasselbeck would be gone this year, he signed his deal, so he's back. Just an FYI. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

04-21-2005, 05:28 PM	#63
joethiesmanfan The Starter Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,163	Re: Ramsey's last days as a Redskin Well we could also get a good wideout in the 2nd round and the 3rd round get an o-lineman i want o-line dominance. our WR's we can live with with o-line dominance. but i wouldnt pick another linemen in the first round ever again. unless you just deperate at o-line like we were for a minute.

04-21-2005, 05:32 PM	#65
wolfeskins The Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: chesapeake,va. Posts: 2,160	Re: Ramsey's last days as a Redskin have you guys heard the rumor that the skins want to trade the 25 pick to the bills (who do not own a first round pick ) for their cb nate clements ? use the 9 pick to get a wr. or trade out of 9 to a later pick but still use it on a wr.

04-21-2005, 05:36 PM	#67
joethiesmanfan The Starter Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,163	Re: Ramsey's last days as a Redskin Matt Jones is going very early watch what happens on draft day.

04-21-2005, 05:49 PM	#69
offiss Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: sparta, new jersey [ northern jersey ] Age: 61 Posts: 3,097	Re: Ramsey's last days as a Redskin Are we to believe that Gibbs traded away next years #1 for a mediocre QB? especially when the QB pool next year is much more talented than this one. If Smith and Rogers were in last years draft they probably wouldn't have been drafted until the second rd. neither 1 of them are better than the top 5 last year, [Is it me or does A.Smith look like the second coming of Heath Shuler?] I will tell you this the QB situation in this draft is the same as when Shuler and Dilfer were coming out, and neither ever panned out, and these 2 will probably never do anything significant in the NFL, and Campbell is rated behind them, amazing! No one had Campbell going in the first rd and now that we make a trade for another 1st rd pick all of a sudden he's 1st rd material? Everyone say's Gibbs doesn't like young QB's, so we pass up on franchise type QB's last season to draft a mediocre QB this year, and we give up a #1 next season when there will be better QB's avail. to overpay for Campbell this season, this kid is not a great college QB, he is not a phenomenal athlete, and is probably 3 years away from seeing the field, and we are to believe that Gibbs is going to take on a project like Campbell when in all liklyhood he's done after his 5 year's are up. It sounds like to me that the media is saying just about anything to create a story, every rumor started is because they saw a player at redskin park or a player we visited as if we haven't visited a multiple of players, my thought is their getting nothing from management and aren't to happy with that so they are needling management with falsehoods and rumor after rumor like they did a few day's ago with Vinny. There are scouts who believe Campbell was a product of superior talent this season, and thats the reason his stats increased so much this year from his previous years. If Gibbs draft's this kid with the #25 it will prove he knows nothing when it comes to judging unproven talent, which would explain why he's so in love with free agency, it's much easier to evaluate established talent you just have to pay more for it, I am probably getting ahead of myself here but I was saying the same thing last year when he was targeting Brunell and we all know how that worked out!

04-21-2005, 05:52 PM	#70
joethiesmanfan The Starter Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,163	Re: Ramsey's last days as a Redskin anyone have espn insider they have an article about the redskins making a draft day deal i am not a mmember of their club i want to know what they are saying the link is on the homepage of espn.

04-21-2005, 06:23 PM	#73
joethiesmanfan The Starter Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,163	Re: Ramsey's last days as a Redskin ohh okay cool

04-21-2005, 06:32 PM	#75
PSUSkinsFan21 The Starter Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Philadelphia, PA Age: 49 Posts: 1,340	Re: Ramsey's last days as a Redskin Just a few thoughts in response to some of the posts on here, and then I have to stop talking about the rediculous "possibility" that we are going to draft Campbell with #25 because it's giving me headache. I agree that Campbell could be a good backup QB to Ramsey in case of injury, but I don't think the skins are in a position to spend a first rounder on a backup QB. Too many other needs. I agree that Campbell offers nothing over Ramsey except his mobility. I'd bet money that Gibbs was at Auburn for Rogers and is simply using the visit now to make a nice big Campbell smokescreen. The Skins signed Brunell long before Gibbs had a chance to see what Ramsey could do in person. After giving Brunell that contract, they had to make him the starter last year. It's not like Gibbs worked with Ramsey, had him as his QB for a little while, and THEN decided to go out and sign Brunell. The Skins would be foolish to pass up the talent available at WR and CB in this draft on a second-rate QB. I agree that this year's QB class is weak at best, and there is no way the skins blew their 2006 draft just to take someone who is only the caliber of Campbell. They're either packaging to move up, making a play for a veteran, or going WR/CB or CB/WR in round 1. __________________ "Hail to the Redskins!" and "Fight on State!"

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