Commanders Post at The Warpath  

Home | Forums | Donate | Shop




Go Back   Commanders Post at The Warpath > Commanders Football > Locker Room Main Forum

Locker Room Main Forum Commanders Football & NFL discussion


Redskins place franchise tag on Orakpo

Locker Room Main Forum


View Poll Results: Should Orakpo Have Been Given Franchise Tag?
Yes 59 76.62%
No. We are doomed forever now. Hide your wife and kids 18 23.38%
Voters: 77. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 03-03-2014, 11:38 PM   #61
KI Skins Fan
Pro Bowl
 
KI Skins Fan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Jacksonville, Forida
Posts: 6,396
Re: Redskins place franchise tag on Orakpo

I voted yes. I don't think the Skins would have done it if doing so would have thrown a monkey wrench into their offseason plans. I think they'll negotiate a long-term deal that works for both sides.
__________________
I'm a big Caitlin Clark fan!
KI Skins Fan is offline   Reply With Quote

Advertisements
Old 03-04-2014, 12:04 AM   #62
Lotus
Fire Bruce NOW
 
Lotus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Hattiesburg, MS
Posts: 11,434
Re: Redskins place franchise tag on Orakpo

Quote:
Originally Posted by diehardskin2982 View Post
The cost for Orakpo's contract can be balanced out when we cut Sav Rocca, Chris Chester, Stephen Bowen, and Adam Carriker.

I hope that we draft Christian Jones as the Coverage ILB to cover, freeing Rak and Kerrigan to rush.
I agree all around.
__________________
Bruce Allen when in charge alone: 4-12 (.250)
Bruce Allen's overall Redskins record : 28-52 (.350)
Vinny Cerrato's record when in charge alone: 52-65 (.444)
Vinny's overall Redskins record: 62-82 (.430)
We won more with Vinny
Lotus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-04-2014, 12:07 AM   #63
Lotus
Fire Bruce NOW
 
Lotus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Hattiesburg, MS
Posts: 11,434
Re: Redskins place franchise tag on Orakpo

Above must be the least objective poll that I have ever seen.

It's like, "Who would you rather have babysit your kids?
A) your BFF
B) Jeffrey Dahmer"

I happily voted yes BTW
__________________
Bruce Allen when in charge alone: 4-12 (.250)
Bruce Allen's overall Redskins record : 28-52 (.350)
Vinny Cerrato's record when in charge alone: 52-65 (.444)
Vinny's overall Redskins record: 62-82 (.430)
We won more with Vinny
Lotus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-04-2014, 12:43 AM   #64
KI Skins Fan
Pro Bowl
 
KI Skins Fan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Jacksonville, Forida
Posts: 6,396
Re: Redskins place franchise tag on Orakpo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lotus View Post
Above must be the least objective poll that I have ever seen.

It's like, "Who would you rather have babysit your kids?
A) your BFF
B) Jeffrey Dahmer"

I happily voted yes BTW
That's a trick question because Dahmer is dead.
__________________
I'm a big Caitlin Clark fan!
KI Skins Fan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-04-2014, 01:20 AM   #65
skinsfanthru&thru
Playmaker
 
skinsfanthru&thru's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Richmond, VA
Age: 44
Posts: 3,813
Re: Redskins place franchise tag on Orakpo

Since there wasn't an option for those of us not angry nor happy I felt the bed intruder reference needed my vote.
__________________
"Ahhh, so you're stupid in 3 languages?"
skinsfanthru&thru is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-04-2014, 01:58 AM   #66
GTripp0012
Living Legend
 
GTripp0012's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Evanston, IL
Age: 36
Posts: 15,994
Re: Redskins place franchise tag on Orakpo

Quote:
Originally Posted by NC_Skins View Post
Coaches don't give a shit about the salary cap. They'll blow it all right now and fuck the future if it means winning now. (which they have to do) You don't think Haz is trying to save his ass by wanting Orakpo back? He knows his ass is on the line and he doesn't care about the cap ramifications for the future.

Also, maybe they didn't have a problem evaluating talent, but a problem with coaches listening to evaluators? That seems to be the common thing here. Vinny didn't listen. Mike didn't listen. Apparently this coaching staff isn't listening.
I mean, what's the most harmful contract they can give Orakpo? Something like 5 years/$75 million, $35 mil guaranteed. That's maybe more than his agent can get on the market, but it's not exactly a backbreaker. It's just a little over what the market would pay.

And I think that contract is less troublesome in the long run than not tagging him and letting him sign elsewhere.

There's a problem if they are arguing if his true value is $10 mil a year or $12. The market determines the players value. Letting a $10 mil player walk for $12 is pretty awful decision making. The reason to let Orakpo walk is if you didn't think he was a contributor to the team's pass rush, run defense, or pass coverage. If he's just a guy out there, you let him test the market.

But they seem to all agree he's one of the better defenders (if not the best) on the roster. And bickering over market value vs your idea of what he should be worth in an ideal world is pointless.

I'm sure some in the front office think they can do better than Orakpo, and that's a legit football evaluation, but even they have to admit that any alternative for Orakpo is going to be incredibly costly. To trade up and get Dee Ford, you're probably trading next year's first and this year's second. And you aren't even getting a consensus elite pass rusher.
__________________
according to a source with knowledge of the situation.
GTripp0012 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-04-2014, 04:48 AM   #67
Kindoy
The Starter
 
Kindoy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Culver City, CA
Posts: 1,013
Re: Redskins place franchise tag on Orakpo

Voted yes, we have enough needs - good on us not creating another and keeping one of our few strengths intact.
__________________
RIP 21
Kindoy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-04-2014, 06:47 AM   #68
HailGreen28
Playmaker
 
HailGreen28's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 3,754
Re: Redskins place franchise tag on Orakpo

I voted "No. We are doomed forever now. Hide your wife and kids". If Snyder is still making decisions over his personnel people, we're doomed regardless of whether we keep Rak or not.
HailGreen28 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-04-2014, 09:40 AM   #69
takethecake
Special Teams
 
takethecake's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Bethesda, MD
Age: 36
Posts: 281
Re: Redskins place franchise tag on Orakpo

I don't like a lot of what I'm hearing about this situation - that there were almost no negotiations between Orakpo's camp and the skins before they just slapped him with the tag, and that there's speculation he might hold out. The only move to make is to sign him to a reasonable long-term deal this offseason in a timely fashion.

I'm sure the ravens weren't crazy about signing Joe Flacco to his insanely monstrous contract, but it was the only move they could make. Although there are numerous differences, I think we're in a similar situation here.
takethecake is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-04-2014, 09:50 AM   #70
MTK
\m/
 
MTK's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: NY
Age: 52
Posts: 99,464
Re: Redskins place franchise tag on Orakpo

I'm tired of watching our guys walk outta here and get paid elsewhere, meanwhile we fall all over ourselves bringing in guys that usually don't end up being worth the $$. I think the tag was a smart move. Plus investing in your own guys sends a good message to the team.
__________________
Support The Warpath! | Warpath Shop
MTK is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-04-2014, 10:13 AM   #71
HailGreen28
Playmaker
 
HailGreen28's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 3,754
Re: Redskins place franchise tag on Orakpo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mattyk View Post
I'm tired of watching our guys walk outta here and get paid elsewhere, meanwhile we fall all over ourselves bringing in guys that usually don't end up being worth the $$. I think the tag was a smart move. Plus investing in your own guys sends a good message to the team.
Yeah, at least we know Rak fits the system. Big advantage over bringing in another team's FA.

I just question whether we're overpaying Rak: Not in market value, but whether the team would be better off going with Rob Jackson and spreading the money over multiple positions.
HailGreen28 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-04-2014, 10:18 AM   #72
MTK
\m/
 
MTK's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: NY
Age: 52
Posts: 99,464
Re: Redskins place franchise tag on Orakpo

^ My question is how much more cap room do we need? We can probably clear another $10M fairly easily with cuts/restructures, bringing our overall room back closer to $30M.

And assuming a long term deal gets done with Rak that will lower his number for this year significantly.

Most everyone seems to be against spending big, so why do we need a huge amount of cap space?? Something in the range of $20-$30 is plenty to fill a bunch of holes providing you spend wisely.
__________________
Support The Warpath! | Warpath Shop
MTK is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-04-2014, 10:23 AM   #73
mlmdub130
Playmaker
 
mlmdub130's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Woodbridge, VA
Age: 41
Posts: 3,238
Quote:
Originally Posted by HailGreen28 View Post
Yeah, at least we know Rak fits the system. Big advantage over bringing in another team's FA.

I just question whether we're overpaying Rak: Not in market value, but whether the team would be better off going with Rob Jackson and spreading the money over multiple positions.
We're we better off letting Carlos Rogers go? We're we better of letting Antonio Pierce go? We're we better of letting Fred Smoot go? We're we better off letting...

I think a change of pace is refreshing and hopefully things will improv on the field as a result. If your gonna take a gamble on a guy might as well be one of your own, not someone another team is willing to let go.
__________________
"I don't think anybody should have regrets, especially me, ... You don't regret what you do in your life. If you do it, you do it for a reason."

ST21
mlmdub130 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-04-2014, 10:30 AM   #74
HailGreen28
Playmaker
 
HailGreen28's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 3,754
Re: Redskins place franchise tag on Orakpo

Quote:
Originally Posted by mlmdub130 View Post
We're we better off letting Carlos Rogers go? We're we better of letting Antonio Pierce go? We're we better of letting Fred Smoot go? We're we better off letting...

I think a change of pace is refreshing and hopefully things will improv on the field as a result. If your gonna take a gamble on a guy might as well be one of your own, not someone another team is willing to let go.
None of those situations is comparable to Rak, IMO. All this is just what I read: Rogers walked because he wanted big money nobody would give him, and was so unwilling to work with the team he was even refusing coaches suggestions to get his eyes checked. Pierce signed with the Giants for just a little more money, not a big contract, we should have matched and kept him. The Vikings overpaid for Smoot, gotta let a guy walk when that happens and move on.
HailGreen28 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-04-2014, 10:33 AM   #75
SmootSmack
Uncle Phil
 
SmootSmack's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 45,256
Re: Redskins place franchise tag on Orakpo

I'm more interested in what the long term deal might be. And I hope it doesn't handcuff our ability to keep other, arguably more important, homegrown talent.

I still would have let Rak test the market though.
__________________
You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You
SmootSmack is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:35 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
We have no official affiliation with the Washington Commanders or the NFL.
Page generated in 3.82176 seconds with 11 queries