Patrick Ramsey better be Ready!!!!!

MTK · 03-12-2005, 06:45 PM

SKINZ, so I'm interested to know if you would have cut Brees after his first 3 years in the league. He didn't prove much in his first 3 years and he struggled quite a bit. According to your logic he wouldn't have had the chance to explode like he did in his 4th year.

SKINZ_DOMIN8 · 03-12-2005, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

SKINZ, so I'm interested to know if you would have cut Brees after his first 3 years in the league. He didn't prove much in his first 3 years and he struggled quite a bit. According to your logic he wouldn't have had the chance to explode like he did in his 4th year.

So you are comparing deer-in-the-headlights Ramsey with Brees?

Brees at least has proven his worth. Brees competed with Flutie and won the starting job. He also made the best of a bad situation when Rivers didn't come into camp on time. At least Brees didn't throw a hissy fit (like Ramsey did when Brunell was signed) and when they drafted Rivers at least Brees didn't lose his job during camp (like Ramsey). I might be wrong but I doubt it--- Ramsey is just another Heath Shuler and we will regret ever drafting him IMO.

MTK · 03-12-2005, 06:59 PM

Brees was pretty mediocre in his first 3 years, and sorry but I'm not impressed over someone beating out Doug Flutie.

So would you have cut him based on his first 3 years?

You still haven't answered the question.

SKINZ_DOMIN8 · 03-12-2005, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Brees was pretty mediocre in his first 3 years, and sorry but I'm not impressed over someone beating out Doug Flutie.

So would you have cut him based on his first 3 years?

You still haven't answered the question.

Yes I probably would have. But at least Brees would have proved me wrong. I doubt your websites' "Golden-Boy" is going to prove me wrong. He can't throw the ball downfield to save his life and he misses open receivers.

But we shall see.

SmootSmack · 03-12-2005, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by SKINZ_DOMIN8

I doubt your websites' "Golden-Boy" is going to prove me wrong.

What an interesting statement...and I'll leave it at that

wolfeskins · 03-12-2005, 08:08 PM

i don't think i've ever read a post that called ramsey a golden boy but i could be wrong. i thought it was a pretty general feeling from almost everyone on this sight that ramsey has struggled but has showm improvement in gibbs system. if he was to struggle all next season it will be a general feeling from us to get rid of him but i and i'm sure many others think patrick will be just fine. on the drew breez subject, i think drew had a terriffic season but i'm not convinced he's a terriffic qb, marty shottenheimer's offense makes qbs look better than they really are, hell, his offense made tony banks look like a capable qb and banks is really awfull. so to compare ramsey to breez is apples and oranges.

sportscurmudgeon · 03-12-2005, 09:51 PM

Matty:

If y9ou check Brees stats in his first three years, you'll find that he was good one year and miserable in the others. It 's not that he stunk in all of them; he was inconsistent. And he didn't play every game in those three years.

Ramsey in 2005 is very similar to Brees in 2004. The comparison os Ranmsey this year to Brees last year will be interesting. It may have a lot to do with what the Redskins do with Ramsey and his contract situation at the end of next year...

For the record, I don't think Brees will be as good in 2005 as he was last year. I don't think he will stink out the AFC West, but I don't think he has another miracle season on tap. In mathematical terms, this is called "regressing to the mean".

Ramsey is praised on this board and he is slammed on this board. However, we do have the precedent of someone here comparing him in his first 15 or 16 starts to Brett Favre and Peyton Manning and a few other really outstanding QBs and drawing the conclusion that Ramsey was better than they were. The CLEAR implication from that is that Ramsey deserves to be compared to that level of QB in the NFL. Maybe some day he will earn that status and deserve that comparison. As of now, I don't think so.

Let me be very clear about this. Peyton Manning and Brett Favre are absolute mortal lock certainties for the Hall of Fame. Patrick Ramsey - in March 2005 - would not get a single vote for the Hall of Fame even if ten of his family members were on the committee.

That does not make Ramsey a "Golden Boy" here by any stretch of the imagnination. But there are some folks here who think his accomplishments to date are far more significant than they actually are. Remember, he has a losing record for games that he has started in the NFL AND let's just say that he has not become a legend for making miracle comebacks in the 4th quarter and/or the final 5 minutes of games to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat. Maybe that will be the case some day, but not quite yet...

MTK · 03-12-2005, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by SKINZ_DOMIN8

Yes I probably would have. But at least Brees would have proved me wrong. I doubt your websites' "Golden-Boy" is going to prove me wrong. He can't throw the ball downfield to save his life and he misses open receivers.

But we shall see.

Ramsey is hardly a golden boy on this site, do some searching and you'll see plenty of people who doubt him.

And you're finally right on one thing, we shall see.

NY_Skinsfan · 03-12-2005, 07:05 PM

Like matty said, why don't we let Ramsey settle into the current system...what's wrong with a little consistency? Some of us complain and complain that there is no consistency and then when we have the chance for it, we through it out the window by wanting new players at key positions. Let's just sit back watch Gibbs and Williams put a much better team together in their second off season together. Let's enjoy a little consistency since we have it.

MTK · 03-13-2005, 12:45 PM

This is really a silly argument. There are two sides to this fence.

Either you have faith in Ramsey and are willing to let him develop a little further before judging him, since he really hasn't had a fair shot yet,

OR you doubt him based on what little you've seen and until he proves you wrong you're going to slam him and point out every little thing he does wrong.

Based on some people's view they would have cut Brees after his first 3 very inconsistent seasons and he never would have had that chance to really shine in his 4th year. That's a logical view to have since the Chargers basically had the same opinion when they drafted his replacement last year.

Perhaps the Chargers and teams around the league could learn a small lesson though, and that's to show a bit more patience when it comes to developing a young QB.

MTK · 03-13-2005, 07:50 PM

Neither Ramsey or Brunell were impressive in the preseason. It was no surprise Gibbs went with the veteran.

skinsfanthru&thru · 03-14-2005, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Neither Ramsey or Brunell were impressive in the preseason. It was no surprise Gibbs went with the veteran.

exactly and I doubt even the strongest opposers to the Brunnel signing last year could have imagined one of the nfl's most accurate and consistent qbs to have completely collapsed like Brunnel did this past season.

That Guy · 03-14-2005, 01:13 AM

i just read that in a survey of which non starting qb fans would want for their new team, brunell got 38.9% of the vote, followed by warner with 17-18%... forget which site... the one with pastel green text that does the nice stat breakdowns :P

[edit] - the survey was conducted BEFORE last season

people aren't THAT dim now.

TheMalcolmConnection · 03-14-2005, 09:41 AM

Haha... wow. I guess other people saw it too.

Daseal · 03-14-2005, 11:34 AM

The survey didn't take into account a huge contract and a 3rd round pick either, That_Guy.

03-12-2005, 06:45 PM	#1
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,903	Re: Patrick Ramsey better be Ready!!!!! SKINZ, so I'm interested to know if you would have cut Brees after his first 3 years in the league. He didn't prove much in his first 3 years and he struggled quite a bit. According to your logic he wouldn't have had the chance to explode like he did in his 4th year. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

03-12-2005, 06:59 PM	#3
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,903	Re: Patrick Ramsey better be Ready!!!!! Brees was pretty mediocre in his first 3 years, and sorry but I'm not impressed over someone beating out Doug Flutie. So would you have cut him based on his first 3 years? You still haven't answered the question. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

03-12-2005, 08:08 PM	#6
wolfeskins The Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: chesapeake,va. Posts: 2,160	Re: Patrick Ramsey better be Ready!!!!! i don't think i've ever read a post that called ramsey a golden boy but i could be wrong. i thought it was a pretty general feeling from almost everyone on this sight that ramsey has struggled but has showm improvement in gibbs system. if he was to struggle all next season it will be a general feeling from us to get rid of him but i and i'm sure many others think patrick will be just fine. on the drew breez subject, i think drew had a terriffic season but i'm not convinced he's a terriffic qb, marty shottenheimer's offense makes qbs look better than they really are, hell, his offense made tony banks look like a capable qb and banks is really awfull. so to compare ramsey to breez is apples and oranges.

03-12-2005, 09:51 PM	#7
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	Re: Patrick Ramsey better be Ready!!!!! Matty: If y9ou check Brees stats in his first three years, you'll find that he was good one year and miserable in the others. It 's not that he stunk in all of them; he was inconsistent. And he didn't play every game in those three years. Ramsey in 2005 is very similar to Brees in 2004. The comparison os Ranmsey this year to Brees last year will be interesting. It may have a lot to do with what the Redskins do with Ramsey and his contract situation at the end of next year... For the record, I don't think Brees will be as good in 2005 as he was last year. I don't think he will stink out the AFC West, but I don't think he has another miracle season on tap. In mathematical terms, this is called "regressing to the mean". Ramsey is praised on this board and he is slammed on this board. However, we do have the precedent of someone here comparing him in his first 15 or 16 starts to Brett Favre and Peyton Manning and a few other really outstanding QBs and drawing the conclusion that Ramsey was better than they were. The CLEAR implication from that is that Ramsey deserves to be compared to that level of QB in the NFL. Maybe some day he will earn that status and deserve that comparison. As of now, I don't think so. Let me be very clear about this. Peyton Manning and Brett Favre are absolute mortal lock certainties for the Hall of Fame. Patrick Ramsey - in March 2005 - would not get a single vote for the Hall of Fame even if ten of his family members were on the committee. That does not make Ramsey a "Golden Boy" here by any stretch of the imagnination. But there are some folks here who think his accomplishments to date are far more significant than they actually are. Remember, he has a losing record for games that he has started in the NFL AND let's just say that he has not become a legend for making miracle comebacks in the 4th quarter and/or the final 5 minutes of games to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat. Maybe that will be the case some day, but not quite yet... __________________ The Sports Curmudgeon www.sportscurmudgeon.com But don't get me wrong, I love sports...

03-12-2005, 07:05 PM	#9
NY_Skinsfan Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Albany, NY Age: 52 Posts: 838	Re: Patrick Ramsey better be Ready!!!!! Like matty said, why don't we let Ramsey settle into the current system...what's wrong with a little consistency? Some of us complain and complain that there is no consistency and then when we have the chance for it, we through it out the window by wanting new players at key positions. Let's just sit back watch Gibbs and Williams put a much better team together in their second off season together. Let's enjoy a little consistency since we have it.

03-13-2005, 12:45 PM	#10
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,903	Re: Patrick Ramsey better be Ready!!!!! This is really a silly argument. There are two sides to this fence. Either you have faith in Ramsey and are willing to let him develop a little further before judging him, since he really hasn't had a fair shot yet, OR you doubt him based on what little you've seen and until he proves you wrong you're going to slam him and point out every little thing he does wrong. Based on some people's view they would have cut Brees after his first 3 very inconsistent seasons and he never would have had that chance to really shine in his 4th year. That's a logical view to have since the Chargers basically had the same opinion when they drafted his replacement last year. Perhaps the Chargers and teams around the league could learn a small lesson though, and that's to show a bit more patience when it comes to developing a young QB. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

03-13-2005, 07:50 PM	#11
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,903	Re: Patrick Ramsey better be Ready!!!!! Neither Ramsey or Brunell were impressive in the preseason. It was no surprise Gibbs went with the veteran. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

03-14-2005, 01:13 AM	#13
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,620	Re: Patrick Ramsey better be Ready!!!!! i just read that in a survey of which non starting qb fans would want for their new team, brunell got 38.9% of the vote, followed by warner with 17-18%... forget which site... the one with pastel green text that does the nice stat breakdowns :P [edit] - the survey was conducted BEFORE last season people aren't THAT dim now.

03-14-2005, 09:41 AM	#14
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 44 Posts: 19,264	Re: Patrick Ramsey better be Ready!!!!! Haha... wow. I guess other people saw it too. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

03-14-2005, 11:34 AM	#15
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 42 Posts: 8,341	Re: Patrick Ramsey better be Ready!!!!! The survey didn't take into account a huge contract and a 3rd round pick either, That_Guy.

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