Pro-gun article

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Ok so people who think the gun lovers are right wing nuts are ...trolls now.

More Gun control....


jon stewart on gun control , part two - YouTube

No, you're just trying to piss me off and be an ass.
Nothing to do with guns.

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

now im confused. YOu think private citizens should be allowed to SELL guns, but the government should do background checks on the people they sell to? Please explain to me how that process should work.




No i dont want a handgun. but i see problems with that process (atleast with how i understand it) I cant fathom how they could run a persons name on the spot and determine you dont have a criminal record or other red flags that should prevent you from owning a gun. how do you truly verify that the person who has the ticket is the same person that buys the gun? How do you ensure that the seller even verifies the ticket?

The same way a cop knows if you're wanted when he pulls you over for a taillight issue. The police have that info at their fingertips. whats not to understand?

And you'll be glad to know I can buy and sell all the rifles I want with zero paperwork, its only hand guns they care about.

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Way to ignore the facts.

Which facts? The claims of reduced drink drive deaths?

Despite overall marked reductions in alcohol–related traffic deaths since the early 1980s, there has been little reduction since the mid–1990s, and alcohol–related traffic deaths have increased slightly in the past 3 years.

Epidemiology and Consequences of Drinking and Driving

These actual facts were ignored in his diatribe because they didn't fit the narrative.

[BaltimoreSkins]

I was reading in an editorial that the majority of guns used illegally in the U.S. are guns that are stolen from homes or cars from citizens that purchased them legally. NOt sure if any of you who have more of a vested interest in this topic have data to back that statement.

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

I was reading in an editorial that the majority of guns used illegally in the U.S. are guns that are stolen from homes or cars from citizens that purchased them legally. NOt sure if any of you who have more of a vested interest in this topic have data to back that statement.

You'd first need to define what you mean by 'used illegally'.

In the commission of a crime or just transferred to another person?

[BaltimoreSkins]

The article was referring to criminal activity.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

The same way a cop knows if you're wanted when he pulls you over for a taillight issue. The police have that info at their fingertips. whats not to understand?

And you'll be glad to know I can buy and sell all the rifles I want with zero paperwork, its only hand guns they care about.

well thats the thing. any review like that cant quite be inclusive enough. how do they know he doesnt have mental health issues, for example? What if he's using a fake ID?

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

I was reading in an editorial that the majority of guns used illegally in the U.S. are guns that are stolen from homes or cars from citizens that purchased them legally. NOt sure if any of you who have more of a vested interest in this topic have data to back that statement.

That wouldnt surprise me at al though. Why would a criminal buy a gun when he can just steal it? fingerprint guns would prevent this.

[Alvin Walton]

Fingerprints guns.....thats quite amusing.

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

That wouldnt surprise me at al though. Why would a criminal buy a gun when he can just steal it? fingerprint guns would prevent this.

The Dynamic Grip Recognition (DGR) biometric authorizing technology recently patented by the NJIT will enable the creation of a 'personalized' handgun.

[Alvin Walton]

Yea'll we'll convert the 300+ million privately owned firearms that already exist to that technology.
pffffttttttt

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

Yea'll we'll convert the 300+ million privately owned firearms that already exist to that technology.
pffffttttttt

Look great on a musket.

[Alvin Walton]

Yep, awesome way to trash a Garand.


We're sorry to report that your husband and your daughter are dead.
He tried to defend himself with his pistol but the battery on the fingerprint reader died.
His hands were dirty and he was wearing a band aid so it wouldnt work anyway.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

Yep, awesome way to trash a Garand.


We're sorry to report that your husband and your daughter are dead.
He tried to defend himself with his pistol but the battery on the fingerprint reader died.
His hands were dirty and he was wearing a band aid so it wouldnt work anyway.

Or another scenario:
you hear the intruder, grab your pistol, as you get to him you struggle, he gets the weapon from you, points and.... click, it doesn't work because it's not keyed to him. you scuffle again, and get the gun back, and he surrenders(or you shoot him - whichever ending you want)



For the people using the car argument before, this is the same as a key. Cars have ignition switches, keys, etc. No reason not to have that safety on new handguns. Offer mod kits for those who want them and grandfather existing weapons. Safety laws change as we learn how to make things safer, we can do that with handguns, and that way you don't push the government to infringe on critical rights laid out in the Constitution.

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Or another scenario:
you hear the intruder, grab your pistol, as you get to him you struggle, he gets the weapon from you, points and.... click, it doesn't work because it's not keyed to him. you scuffle again, and get the gun back, and he surrenders(or you shoot him - whichever ending you want)


Thats pretty far fetched...almost silly.


For the people using the car argument before, this is the same as a key. Cars have ignition switches, keys, etc. No reason not to have that safety on new handguns. Offer mod kits for those who want them and grandfather existing weapons. Safety laws change as we learn how to make things safer, we can do that with handguns, and that way you don't push the government to infringe on critical rights laid out in the Constitution.

I can think of a lot of reasons. Starting with malfunctions and nonfires. Not to mention how hard that would make to sell a used gun.The firearms industry and the NRA would never let that happen. The whole thing is far fetched.