time to play GM

[SmootSmack]

I'm thinking of starting a new thread called "Time to Play GMScud" where I will advocate drafting Mike Pouncey, trading for Tim Tebow and bringing in Urban Meyer as an offensive consultant

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by jdlea

I honestly believe this roster is VERY poorly constructed. Honestly, I think there are a lot of things that need to be done...tons of areas to be addressed.

First of all, I'm releasing people who symbolize what the Redskins have been for the last decade: mercenaries. I think that probably includes: Haynesworth, Moss, Portis, Hall, and probably Jamaal Brown. At this point, they're not playing up to their contracts (although, I've always really liked DeAngelo Hall) and they represent a bad strategy for constructing a football team.

In addition to cuts: I'm letting Rogers walk and if Buchanon's contract is up, I don't know that I'd try TOO hard to bring him back. This category is actually probably a better fit for Jamaal Brown than the previous one as I believe his contract is up. I wouldn't break the bank to bring him back and I wouldn't kill myself trying to get him signed early either. If he wants to come back at a low salary, commensurate with his disappointing play, I'd bring him back, otherwise, good luck trying to find somewhere that hates their QB enough to let you play LT.

Beyond that, I'm looking at underachievers/poor players. There a few guys in that category for me: Lichtensteiger, Rabach, Moore, Doughty, McIntosh, Carter, Kemo, and Hicks. Now, I'm not saying get rid of all these guys, but they'd, at the very least, end up in training camp battles. Really, I think Rabach fits into my "mercenary" category and should probably be cut, but beyond that, I have a hard time getting rid of the other guys on the list as I believe they're all, at least, hard workers who could provide good depth.

The problem with having this many players to replace is the lack of draft picks this team possesses. However, we should remember that while Capers and Wood have shown nothing, they are part of the organization. Maybe one can be a starter at some point next year the other could provide some depth. I actually liked what I saw from Heyer at guard and think this idea should be given more thought, I've always thought he didn't have the quickness/feet for the tackle position, but I think he could probably stick at guard. Hopefully Capers could make that a viable option (I doubt this would be the case, but I'd love to find out).

At the end of the day, this team is pretty bad. The roster has a lot of mediocre players who make tons of money and make it seem like they're ready to compete. I think we're finding out that, right now, this team is not ready to compete. I think the whole thing needs to be blown up and a full scale rebuild needs to take place. Forget about the next 2 or so years and rebuild the team.

If Mike Shanahan doesn't have the stomach for that, I don't know that I care, but it has to happen. If he says, "I didn't sign up for this" and wants to quit, I think I'd let him. I'd hire a young, hungry coach and give him the reins for a few years. I draft a QB in the mid rounds and let him learn under Donovan for a few seasons and then turn it over to him unless I'm floored by a first rounder either this year or next.

At this point, this team has to realize that, as they're currently constructed, adding pieces isn't going to win anything. They have to blow this roster up and start over. They're a terrible team right now and thinking that Santana is a 1 or that Portis is a starter or they're OL help away is asinine and the exact same thing we've gone through for the last decade or so. Yeah, they made the playoffs from time to time, but I think that just made them think they were better than they are. They kept aging stars to their own detriment and now they're stuck with a roster of overpaid, overrated losers who are never going to win a SB.

It's time to change everything at Redskins Park and it needs to start with hitting the Reset Button.

I'm with you on everything but the bolded statement. First of all, Shanny isn't going to jump ship. He isn't going to bail out on that contract, and for better or worse, he has more power now than he might ever have again.

And I would care if he left. This organization needs the proven leadership and experience that he offers. We've tried the "young, hungry" coaching route already. Turning this situation over to a rookie HC would ultimately set us back even further.

Everything else though, you're dead on. Especially the players that we've hung on to because of their supposed "locker room leadership". What gets proven year in and year out is that they're simply average players that won't get us to the upper echelon no matter who is coaching, and it's time to cut the ties from just about every player of the Joe Gibbs 2.0 era.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I've been saying it a lot but Kelly and Big Mike Williams are major, major wild cards for this team. The Skins are high (pause for laughter) on both of them being major contributors/starters for the team. If they can come back healthy. Kelly is ready to go but per NFL rules couldn't play this year and Williams is on his way to a full recovery (supposedly).

If Kelly is ready to go, I wouldn't do anything to the receiving corps expect get Austin in the regular rotation and get Banks more involved. And re-sign Moss for another year. Kelly, Austin, Banks, Moss, and Armstrong isn't going to shock the world, but give me that for another year and focus on building other areas of the team first

I thought BMW's condition was career threatening. It's good to hear that he's been making a good recovery though, but I wouldn't want him playing football if it means suffering serious long term effects. If he can play though and everything seems normal than I'm all for it. And hopefully we'll be able to see what Kelly has next year. If he goes on IR again next year I think he's done here though.

As for blowing up this team, I mean I think the only guys who truly have safe spots have to be Orakpo, T. Williams, Landry. Everybody else can either be cut or traded. Now I'm not saying guys like Moss, Torain, C. Rogers, etc. can't be contributors to this team, but they aren't keep at all cost type guys. If we truly wanted to rebuild, we could go the "firesale" route and start stockpiling draft picks.

[tc2deuce]

I say we draft the best available and then figure out who to sign in FA.
But it does not work in that order so let Bruce do his research.
So if Nick Fairley,DT looks to be a sure pick then sign V-Jax.
Our BIG NEEDS are
Guard- Mankins
Center-Kalil
WR- Jones/Blackmon or sign V-Jax
DT -Fairley or sign Seymour
OLB -Draft in the 2nd round
SS -Draft
CB- FA
RB ATV and ? RB are a dime of dozen
K -OK STATE KICKER

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I'm with you on everything but the bolded statement. First of all, Shanny isn't going to jump ship. He isn't going to bail out on that contract, and for better or worse, he has more power now than he might ever have again.

And I would care if he left. This organization needs the proven leadership and experience that he offers. We've tried the "young, hungry" coaching route already. Turning this situation over to a rookie HC would ultimately set us back even further.

Everything else though, you're dead on. Especially the players that we've hung on to because of their supposed "locker room leadership". What gets proven year in and year out is that they're simply average players that won't get us to the upper echelon no matter who is coaching, and it's time to cut the ties from just about every player of the Joe Gibbs 2.0 era.

I think you make fair points. I'd also say that I agree that Shanahan wouldn't walk away, I'm just saying that if that were to happen, I wouldn't have a problem with him leaving because it wouldn't be in the best interest of the franchise to continue to prop this team up with another veteran or two who may get them to 9 or 10 wins for a year or two. I believe Shanahan came here to rebuild and change the culture, so I don't think he'd walk away.

Also, I agree with you on caring if he left. I'd be hugely disappointed if he left because I think he's someone who could do a good job directing a rebuild, but if rebuilding were a deal breaker for him, I'd tell him that we have to go in another direction and not let him convince me that we're close.

As for missing on the hungry, rookie head coach, I don't know that Zorn should count. For me, I didn't think he was a viable head coaching candidate when he got the job. Then, I was fooled by the 6-2 start, but, ultimately, he proved me right. The guy wasn't cut out to be, or maybe he just wasn't ready to be, a head coach in the NFL.

I will say that I'm probably guilty of "Tomlin Envy" because he's my favorite head coach in the league right now and I'd love to have a young coach who I knew could be around for more than 5 years. Basically, I want the Redskins to find their own version of a Mike Tomlin. (This will be funny if they become horrible and someone digs this up in a few years...lol)

[30gut]

QB:McNabb+John Beck+late round flier on a QB
RB:Torrain, Keiland Williams, James Davis
FB: Young
WR:Moss, Armstrong, Kelly, Austin, Banks
TE: Cooley, Davis, Paulsen
LT: Trent Williams
LG: Free Agent : Logan Mankins
C: ROOKIE : Stefen Wiesnewski (spl?)
RG: Will Montgomery/Lichtensteiger
RT: ROOKIE erek Sherod/ Nate Solder

NT: FREE AGENT Paul Soliai + ROOKIE NT 5th round
RDE: Jarmon/Golston
LDE: Carricker
ILBs: Fletcher, Riley/Blades/Henson
ROLB: Orkapo
LOLB: Alexander/Wilson
CB: Hall, Rogers, Barnes
S: Landry, Moore, Doughty, Horton

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by jdlea

I think you make fair points. I'd also say that I agree that Shanahan wouldn't walk away, I'm just saying that if that were to happen, I wouldn't have a problem with him leaving because it wouldn't be in the best interest of the franchise to continue to prop this team up with another veteran or two who may get them to 9 or 10 wins for a year or two. I believe Shanahan came here to rebuild and change the culture, so I don't think he'd walk away.

Also, I agree with you on caring if he left. I'd be hugely disappointed if he left because I think he's someone who could do a good job directing a rebuild, but if rebuilding were a deal breaker for him, I'd tell him that we have to go in another direction and not let him convince me that we're close.

As for missing on the hungry, rookie head coach, I don't know that Zorn should count. For me, I didn't think he was a viable head coaching candidate when he got the job. Then, I was fooled by the 6-2 start, but, ultimately, he proved me right. The guy wasn't cut out to be, or maybe he just wasn't ready to be, a head coach in the NFL.

I will say that I'm probably guilty of "Tomlin Envy" because he's my favorite head coach in the league right now and I'd love to have a young coach who I knew could be around for more than 5 years. Basically, I want the Redskins to find their own version of a Mike Tomlin. (This will be funny if they become horrible and someone digs this up in a few years...lol)

I know what you mean. I'm looking at teams like Atlanta (Mike Smith), the Bucs (Raheem Morris), -- organizations that have completely turned it around in a short time span and did so with head coaches who were formerly assistants. Of course it didn't work with us.

It all has to do with that 'negative energy field' that has surrounded this team since, oh, summer of 1999.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I've been saying it a lot but Kelly and Big Mike Williams are major, major wild cards for this team. The Skins are high (pause for laughter) on both of them being major contributors/starters for the team. If they can come back healthy. Kelly is ready to go but per NFL rules couldn't play this year and Williams is on his way to a full recovery (supposedly).

If Kelly is ready to go, I wouldn't do anything to the receiving corps expect get Austin in the regular rotation and get Banks more involved. And re-sign Moss for another year. Kelly, Austin, Banks, Moss, and Armstrong isn't going to shock the world, but give me that for another year and focus on building other areas of the team first

I'd like to add Sidney Rice to that bunch and we'd be A okay.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I've been saying it a lot but Kelly and Big Mike Williams are major, major wild cards for this team. The Skins are high (pause for laughter) on both of them being major contributors/starters for the team. If they can come back healthy. Kelly is ready to go but per NFL rules couldn't play this year and Williams is on his way to a full recovery (supposedly).

If Kelly is ready to go, I wouldn't do anything to the receiving corps expect get Austin in the regular rotation and get Banks more involved. And re-sign Moss for another year. Kelly, Austin, Banks, Moss, and Armstrong isn't going to shock the world, but give me that for another year and focus on building other areas of the team first

If they can both come back and stay healthy and produce, that would be huge.

Seems like some big dice to be rolling though.

Even with Kelly back in the mix I hope we do something at WR, doesn't have to be dramatic like V. Jackson, but maybe a mid to late round pick.

[SBXVII]

Here's my idea;

WR- pick up V.Jackson, TJ Houshmendzadeh, and either another FA or UFA.
Draft Round:
1- drop back for extra picks.
OL- draft a Center and RT.
DL/NT- draft
LB- draft.
FS- draft.

I'd then bring in UFA's for OL, DL, LB, FS, and WR. The team has serious thought to put into deciding on whether to keep McNabb or not. I'd probably let him go but I figure the team is going to keep him. But until they decide if Beck is the man or not or until they get another QB to replace McNabb I see McNabb staying.

Depending on how Alex Gibbs is health wise I'd also look into replacing Forester with Gibbs.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Here's my idea;

WR- pick up V.Jackson, TJ Houshmendzadeh, and either another FA or UFA.
Draft Round:
1- drop back for extra picks.
OL- draft a Center and RT.
DL/NT- draft
LB- draft.
FS- draft.

...

We could have a prime pick for teams wanting to trade up. That would be ideal if we can pull it off.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Here's my idea;

WR- pick up V.Jackson, TJ Houshmendzadeh, and either another FA or UFA.
Draft Round:
1- drop back for extra picks.
OL- draft a Center and RT.
DL/NT- draft
LB- draft.
FS- draft.

I'd then bring in UFA's for OL, DL, LB, FS, and WR. The team has serious thought to put into deciding on whether to keep McNabb or not. I'd probably let him go but I figure the team is going to keep him. But until they decide if Beck is the man or not or until they get another QB to replace McNabb I see McNabb staying.

Depending on how Alex Gibbs is health wise I'd also look into replacing Forester with Gibbs.

Didn't he retire because of age and health concerns? I think he's done. And besides, I'd like to see what Forester does with decent offensive linemen to work with, I doubt we're going to find a guy who can turn shit into gold.

[SBXVII]

Ok, can anyone validate these lists as being current?
2011 Free Agents....

WR- KFFL - 2011 NFL Free Agents

OL- KFFL - 2011 NFL Free Agents

DL- KFFL - 2011 NFL Free Agents

If it's up to date are there any FA's that will be available worth anything?

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I've been saying it a lot but Kelly and Big Mike Williams are major, major wild cards for this team. The Skins are high (pause for laughter) on both of them being major contributors/starters for the team. If they can come back healthy. Kelly is ready to go but per NFL rules couldn't play this year and Williams is on his way to a full recovery (supposedly).

If Kelly is ready to go, I wouldn't do anything to the receiving corps expect get Austin in the regular rotation and get Banks more involved. And re-sign Moss for another year. Kelly, Austin, Banks, Moss, and Armstrong isn't going to shock the world, but give me that for another year and focus on building other areas of the team first

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I've been saying it a lot but Kelly and Big Mike Williams are major, major wild cards for this team. The Skins are high (pause for laughter) on both of them being major contributors/starters for the team. If they can come back healthy. Kelly is ready to go but per NFL rules couldn't play this year and Williams is on his way to a full recovery (supposedly).

If Kelly is ready to go, I wouldn't do anything to the receiving corps expect get Austin in the regular rotation and get Banks more involved. And re-sign Moss for another year. Kelly, Austin, Banks, Moss, and Armstrong isn't going to shock the world, but give me that for another year and focus on building other areas of the team first

I would love to see both those guys come back & be starters. I really think the o line has played fairly well of late w/what they have. If Lich (or Cook) can move to center & Big Mike comes back to start at RG, the LG position would be the only vacancy (assuming Dock is out). Of course more picks are needed to build some youth & depth, but I don't think the starting lineup is that far from being pretty decent.