Senior Bowl Week - Who's there and who are we looking at?

[GusFrerotte]

Why intrigued by Brown so much?

[CultBrennan59]

^ I've seen nothing about that guy to make me want him...Charles brown is different though

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Why intrigued by Brown so much?

WalterFootball.com: Matt McGuire's 2010 NFL Draft Stock: Senior Bowl

[Pocket$ $traight]

I am glad that the get Tebow chants have been silenced.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I'm surprised no one is talking about Zac Robinson (well, maybe just because SmootSmack isn't here). He's the one who increased his draft stock most in my eyes in this game. I would have to look at him as a possible second round pick now.

Very fluid and natural in his actions.

I like Robinson a lot, as I've mentioned earlier this fall. I'd rather have him than Skelton (so that should tell you something) but I do have some concerns about his ability to be a full time QB at the next level right now. Maybe in a couple of years. If we had a 3rd round pick, I'd like to select him there. I don't think any team should take him before round 3.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I like Robinson a lot, as I've mentioned earlier this fall. I'd rather have him than Skelton (so that should tell you something) but I do have some concerns about his ability to be a full time QB at the next level right now. Maybe in a couple of years. If we had a 3rd round pick, I'd like to select him there. I don't think any team should take him before round 3.

I also like Zac Robinson and I agree with what you said about him. For now, I'd like to see the Skins match any offer for JC and develop a young QB behind him. Robinson would do nicely in that role, IMHO.

That should be the plan if the Skins brain trust do not think that either Bradford or Clausen can be a franchise QB. If they do think that one of them can be a franchise QB, then they must draft that player in the first round. That's just the way it is, regardless of any other team needs.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Why intrigued by Brown so much?

I thought Brown threw the ball very well in this game. His problem is that the David Greene/Chris Crane career path of sitting behind a four year starter and getting your one year to shine at the back end has never really yielded any sort of prospect at all.

As far as a No. 2 type guy in the NFL though, I think Jarrett Brown can justify a late round pick.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I like Robinson a lot, as I've mentioned earlier this fall. I'd rather have him than Skelton (so that should tell you something) but I do have some concerns about his ability to be a full time QB at the next level right now. Maybe in a couple of years. If we had a 3rd round pick, I'd like to select him there. I don't think any team should take him before round 3.

I think Holmgren is going to be all over Robinson in Cleveland to follow the Quinn/Anderson mess as a developmental type though.

I have a second round grade on Robinson right now. I doubt anyone will take him that high since he's still only my 5th rated QB, and Kafka, LeFevour, and Pike are all right there.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Why intrigued by Brown so much?

I liked Brown as late round developmental QB before the Senior Bowl, in fact we had a brief discussion about him in the late round gem thread.
By all accounts he surprised some people at the Senior Bowl and has put himself on the map as far a QB prospects go.

The reasons i liked him before are virtually the same reasons i like him now:
-nice compact throwing motion it reminds me of right handed Mike Vick, almost textbook throwing motion
-above average arm strength
-above average mobility although he's not really a 'scrambler' or 'running' QB

another reason i liked him was because is so raw (only had 1 year as a starter) that he should be available in the later rounds as developmental QB, but after the Senior Bowl he's probably worked his was into a middle round pick

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[Slingin Sammy 33]

Looking at the Senior Bowl here are thoughts on a few players:

QB - Jarret Brown has the tools. If we don't take Clausen, he'd be a good fit in the 4th or later rounds if he slips that far.

RB - LaGarrett Blount looked good and will be a good back for a power runing team, not necessarily a good fit for our Zone scheme though.

J. Bell - Didn't like the bobble of the ball on the hit by Mays or the fumble. He better fix this before training camp for wherever he ends up. Still like him as a late rounder.

G - John Jerry - best South OL, big, physical.
C - Tennant - looked solid, but if he's gone, Olsen from ND held up better than I expected with Cody or D. Williams over him.
G/C - Byers (USC) played both G/C, had a good motor, played with good technique, a little small at 299. Got to second level and out front on a reverse well. Could be a good fit for our Zone scheme in the 7th or as UDFA.

G - Iupati is a bit over-rated and not a good fit for a Zone scheme. He's a mauler, doesn't have great feet and reaches (a lot) in pass-pro.

T - Ciron Black, Selvish Capers....pass on both.

T - Ducasse - not sold on him, but don't hate him either. He's a project and will probably take a year or two to be NFL-starter ready.

DT - Dan Williams, TN - If we're switching to a 3-4, and are working a trade down scenario, this guy would be a great anchor at NT. In a 4-3 he looked good at both the 1 & 3 technique. He'll be gone in the 1st 20 picks though, so he's highly unlikely to wind up in DC.

[GusFrerotte]

Why Brown over Lefevour? I would take Sheehan from Bowling Green over Brown also. Hell, I am still liking Kafka. Brown is a trememdous athlete, don't get me wrong, but you want a Brady/Manning/Brees/Rivers type if you want to get to the big dance. Brains(being able to read Ds and the field) and a cannon arm, combined with some decent mobility is the nice equation you want. I think this move in the NFL towards a more mobile atheltic QB isn't panning out as expected. Randal Cunningham was the first guy to entice the NFL with his moves, then McNabb, then Vick. These guys have been in what, one SB combined? If JC could read the D better and also be a bit quicker at checking his WRs he would be our guy hands down and there wouldn't be any debate at all. Hopefully Shanny can help him out. He is a great guy and has the tools, justs needs to be refined by a master craftsman.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Why Brown over Lefevour? I would take Sheehan from Bowling Green over Brown also. Hell, I am still liking Kafka. Brown is a trememdous athlete, don't get me wrong, but you want a Brady/Manning/Brees/Rivers type if you want to get to the big dance. Brains(being able to read Ds and the field) and a cannon arm, combined with some decent mobility is the nice equation you want. I think this move in the NFL towards a more mobile atheltic QB isn't panning out as expected. Randal Cunningham was the first guy to entice the NFL with his moves, then McNabb, then Vick. These guys have been in what, one SB combined? If JC could read the D better and also be a bit quicker at checking his WRs he would be our guy hands down and there wouldn't be any debate at all. Hopefully Shanny can help him out. He is a great guy and has the tools, justs needs to be refined by a master craftsman.

Outside of Clausen & Bradford, this QB class is all "projects". If you're going to work on a project get the one with the most upside. Brown appears to be a throw first QB rather than a runner. He improved WVU's passing game after White left. He also improved during the week of Senior Bowl practices. He ran a spread at WVU so there's some concern there, but so many teams run it in college. I think Lefevour, Kakfa, Pike, etc. are what they are, good college QBs that don't have big time NFL arms and will take a few years to transition into solid NFL back-ups. Brown is raw but under Shanahan could develop into more than a back-up.

[CultBrennan59]

QB's that I most want to least want

1. Bradford
2. Clausen
3. Kafka
4A. Robinson
4B. LeFeavor
6. Armanti Edwards
7. Colt McCoy