QB Poll

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Brute44

Sure Ramsey can throw deep and hard and long, thats sounds so delicious doesn't it That Guy. In reality Brunell has thrown 3 INT's in 6 games and Ramsey threw 3 INT's in a half of play. Ramsey throws deep but unfortunately it's to the wrong colored jersey.

yet brunell has given up 28 points by himself and ramsey has given up none...

brunell has 3 ints, but NINE TURNOVERS. The numbers aren't as good as you think, and that was ramsey put in 14 points down and pressing. Its not a fair example, and you can go back to last year and see he's got more talent at this point.

[Brute44]

Originally Posted by That Guy

yet brunell has given up 28 points by himself and ramsey has given up none...

brunell has 3 ints, but NINE TURNOVERS. The numbers aren't as good as you think, and that was ramsey put in 14 points down and pressing. Its not a fair example, and you can go back to last year and see he's got more talent at this point.

First off Brunell has had SEVEN TURNOVERS NOT NINE. lets start with the first fumble back in the Tampa game. The ball was handed off to Portis which he fumbled because he wasn't even looking for the ball which Barber recovered and went 9 yards to score. Brunell was accused of a bad hand off. Portis was not charged with a single fumble in the Tampa Bay game. You figure that one out. Now lets move to the Giants game. Brunell was sacked at our 40 and fumbled to Strahan. The very next play Warner threw a 38 yard TD pass to Carter. I don't know how you can put that one on Brunell when Bowen got beat badly on the play. Later on Brunell threw his first INT at our 39 to Robbins which was originally intended for Portis. There was a 4 play drive that our defense stopped and the Giants scored a field goal. So we'll play your game and say at this point Brunell has given up 2 fumbles and 1 interception which turn into 17 points in your view all against Brunell. I'm just gonna skip past the Ramsey Debacle and move onto the Dallas game. Not much here except Brunell was sacked by Dixon at the Dallas 42 and fumbled to Dixon which I think he fumbled back to Portis. No points were given up by Brunell in that one. Now to the Ravens game. Brunell was rolling out and from his blind side and was sacked by Reed which caused a fumble. That fumble was then returned 22 yards for a TD. I have no idea how you could blame Brunell for that one. He was blindsided by Reed because Betts completely missed his assignment on blocking Reed. Missed assignment isn't even the word for what Betts did on that play, he gave up what we old players used to call a LOOKOUT BLOCK. Thats where the blocker misses his block and yells back to the QB, LOOKOUT. Later on Brunell threw his second INT of the season to SUCKTIME Sanders, that was intended for Coles. Which by the way was a good pass that was just picked off by a player that wanted it more. After that play, the Ravens drove 70 yards and scored a field goal. Again if you want to blame that on Brunell, then fine. So at this point in your eyes Brunell has given up 2 INT's and 4 fumbles which in turn give the opposition a total of 27 points which ALL go against Brunell. We finally move to the chicago game. We all saw that the pass that was deflected at the line to Azumah for Brunell's third INT of the season that went 70 yards for the TD. That play couldn't happen again in a million years. It was just bad luck. So finally, Brunell has had 3 INT's one of which was a very odd 70 yard TD return and 4 fumbles that give Brunell a grand total of 34 points. You say 28 points and 9 turnovers. If your gonna blame the guy atleast give him his full share of the blame at 34 points. In my eyes, I see Brunell giving up 3 INT's for a total of 7 points that you can argue was strange at the least.

[SkinsRock]

Brunell has 3 INTs and 6 fumbles, 4 of which were lost. So Brute44 is right in saying there are 7 turnovers total, but the error is understandable.
That fumble in the Bucs game WAS Brunell's fault. It was supposed to be a handoff, and the RB does not look the ball in on a handoff, he should be looking ahead. Brunell was tripped by a lineman, and still tried to get it to him when he should have just eaten it and take the sack. He admitted this after the game.
As far as other ones, yeah a blindside sack/fumble or a tipped ball aren't really a QB's fault, but they are still charged against them. Same with when a receiver runs the wrong route. So I guess both Brunell AND Ramsey should get passes for some of their TO's, huh? No, that's not how it's done. They are held responsible, whether they really are or not. So, Brunell is directly responsible for 21 points scored by the opposing defense in three games. I agree that any other time, the D could have stopped them, but didn't. Thanks to that D (and Portis), we have actually won 2 of those 3 games.
The one other fumble ran back for a TD (in the Giants game) was from a Portis fumble....just mentioning that because some of us tend to think all of them were Brunell (myself included).

[That Guy]

the pass that sander's got was NOT a good pass at all, it was way under thrown into double coverage... that's completely and totally on brunell... on the tipped pass, brunell threw AFTER the guy's hand was up... he couldn't have not seen it sticking up there, the fact that it got picked isn't surprising, though the 70 yard return for a TD is... the ed reed play, he should have realized that he was blitzing (that's the only reason he started so close to the line), though the missed block isn't on him at all, its something that he could have possibly avoided...

you skipped over ramsey though... all his ints were in the end zone, one of which wouldn't have happened if gardner caught that TD pass, and another which coles ran the wrong way from what ramsey was expecting... either way, you'll argue against brunell's turnovers and not against ramsey's, who you blame completely.

in that short time ramsey did get 150 yards, which is more than brunell has gotten in either of the last two games and has given up less points (0 vs 14)... so its not exactly like brunell is burning up the turf, and right now i view him as a liability.

[skinsfanthru&thru]

I voted for Ramsey cuz I've seen enough. I am just completely dumbfounded by how inaccurate Brunnel has been this season. Throwing without getting his feet set, even when he had plenty of time to do so, and sailing pass after pass over his wrs. Plus Cooley needs to get more looks as a wr and we need a more frequently spread out offense with more 3wr sets like this past week so the defense can't stack the line with 8 guys every play. I just hope Ramsey has atleast somewhat improved his need to stick the ball into a spot with a high% of a turnover as well as knowing how much time he has after the snap of the ball to look around before getting rid of the ball. But I can't say enough about the defense (for a small guy smoot sure is one tough SOB) as well as portis being used a little more properly. I can't wait til the packer game to have arrington, barrow, lott, and possibly daniels back as well as the knowledge that Gibbs has 2 weeks to make further adjustments to the offense and gameplan for favre and the packers.

[jordanz301]

no i think ramsey even thou he got brised up last year like crazy last year i think the o llines holdin uo there part plus mark and old fart he needs to jst retire already and tim hes jst not even close to his bro matt..r they frm da same mom??????? well all i kno is tim has a bangin wife but yea i think pat should strt

[That Guy]

um, welcome jordanz301... could you please make more coherent posts though?? that monster up there is insanely hard to follow.

[MarkBrunell]

I voted for Ramsey.

[Redskins_P]

Originally Posted by MarkBrunell

I voted for Ramsey.

[huntz]

Let Mark start against GB but have Ramsey ready, REALLY READY, if he starts to screw up. He just hasn't shown the arm strength. Man, they paid toooooo much for this guy.