Sean Taylor struggling???

gabe1984 · 01-02-2007, 10:13 AM

On the John Thompson radio show last week CP said that the Sean Taylor may be missing tackles, but the tackles he is missing he isn't even supposed to be making. He's basically putting himself in position to make plays that are supposed to be other people's responsibilities, but they're not doing it. I've noticed that myself too, on a lot of his missed tackles he's running to the other side of the field, where it seams that there should have been a lot more skins getting to that player before Taylor has to run all the way over from the other side. So he may be missing tackles, but in many cases Taylor is trying to clean up because people who were in much better position to make the play didn't do it.

Redskins_P · 01-02-2007, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by gabe1984

On the John Thompson radio show last week CP said that the Sean Taylor may be missing tackles, but the tackles he is missing he isn't even supposed to be making. He's basically putting himself in position to make plays that are supposed to be other people's responsibilities, but they're not doing it. I've noticed that myself too, on a lot of his missed tackles he's running to the other side of the field, where it seams that there should have been a lot more skins getting to that player before Taylor has to run all the way over from the other side. So he may be missing tackles, but in many cases Taylor is trying to clean up because people who were in much better position to make the play didn't do it.

Well put. I think that could be exactly whats wrong. Plus, losing Ryan Clark I think really affected him as far as communication and knowing where his wingman would be all the time. He had to play with 3 different safeties this year....

SmootSmack · 01-02-2007, 10:35 AM

What's with all the personal attacks on this thread?

mheisig · 01-02-2007, 10:36 AM

I think Taylor's regression is first and foremost a coaching problem. The ESPN article a few weeks back with the "anonymous player" that comment quite a bit on the secondary and the coaching staff issues there I think really highlighted what's going on. Two separate coaches for the CBs and Safety's, neither units meeting together is just the start of the problems.

I've seen enough solid play from Taylor over the years that I'm not worried in the least bit. Hell, he's the only player on the defense I think should definitely be kept on the team.

What do you expect of a guy playing on this defense this year? He's working with a guy like AA who can't cover his own shadow, then with various backups at safety and CB who get changed like a dirty t-shirt. He's got Rogers playing CB, who apparently has bricks for hands, and then Springs who's only there half the time, so the rest of the time it's a backup of some sort. Next he's got linebackers who are abysmal, and a D-line that is letting the opposing RBs get 10 yards downfield without ever getting a hand on them.

What do you honestly expect one guy to be able to do with that kind of talent around him? It's really remarkable he's not worse this year if you think about it.

Redskins_P · 01-02-2007, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by TAFKAS

What's with all the personal attacks on this thread?

My two month old neice could tackle you........

dmek25 · 01-02-2007, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by TAFKAS

What's with all the personal attacks on this thread?

i guess when someone else's opinion is different, it then becomes personal

SmootSmack · 01-02-2007, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Redskins_P

My two month old neice could tackle you........

My four month old niece could take a dump on the keyboard and the sh*t she spews would make more sense than your rambling, incoherent posts...

But seriously folks, no need for personal attacks. Let's not start 2007 on a bad foot

Redskins_P · 01-02-2007, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by TAFKAS

My four month old niece could take a dump on the keyboard and the sh*t she spews would make more sense than your rambling, incoherent posts...

But seriously folks, no need for personal attacks. Let's not start 2007 on a bad foot

Good one TAF. Happy New year by the way...

TheMalcolmConnection · 01-02-2007, 12:17 PM

Just for some levity. Does Merriman have to register his head as a lethal weapon? You could stab a mofo with that thing!

The Zimmermans · 01-02-2007, 12:27 PM

ST is the only presense we have on defense right now. No one from any other team could name any of our other players, cause Sean is the only one that makes plays and puts fear in the opposing team. He is the SAFETY, not the linebacker, he's not supposed to have to make that many tackles. If Lamar and warrick could get off their blocks, maybe sean wouldnt have to run down an untouched tiki barber

budw38 · 01-02-2007, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by TAFKAS

My four month old niece could take a dump on the keyboard and the sh*t she spews would make more sense than your rambling, incoherent posts...

But seriously folks, no need for personal attacks. Let's not start 2007 on a bad foot

The personal attacks are made by the little cry babies , the guys who couldn't put on a jock strap to begin with . First , this thread did NOT blame ST for the poor defence , just pointed out it was not his best year . Probably because of the poor play of the front 7 and Cb's . he is talented , but he did miss more than a few tackles that he ,,, and all of our db's should make . Draft a stud DL , find another Lb , sign a Cb and 21 should be back in form .

SmootSmack · 01-02-2007, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Redskins_P

Good one TAF. Happy New year by the way...

Likewise pana

marius · 01-02-2007, 12:51 PM

I've been frustrated with Taylor for a while but not because he is a bad player or even that he is playing particularly poorly. My frustration is more to do with the fact that he IS underachieving. I don't think that you can say that he has played as badly as some of you have made out but he shouldn't be just a decent player, with his talent he should be a regular pro bowler. Undoubtedly, the piss poor defense has not helped and left him papering over cracks way too much but the guy is a beast and even playing well below his potential is still our best defender.

Taylor could be a truly great player and I hope that next season he switches on and doesn't just try to make the monster play all the time.

12thMan · 01-02-2007, 01:30 PM

Perhaps these stats can help us put Taylor's effort in perspective a little more.

Here are the stats of the tree safeties that were elected to the Pro-Bowl for the NFC. I threw in Ed Reed from the AFC just to see how he compared to one of the elite safeties in the NFL.

Ed Reed first.

59 Tackles 8 assists. Reed was seventh on his team in tackles. I was amazed to see how many of their linebackers were ahead of him. I guess that's why they have the number one defense in the league.

NFC.

Brian Dawkins. 93 tackles 71 assists 2nd on team in tackles
Roy Williams. 62 tackles 10 assists 4th on team " "
Adrian Wilson 82 tackles 8 assists 3rd on team " "
Sean Taylor 111 tackles 25 assists 1st on team " "

Taylor led all safties and many linebackers in the NFC in total number of tackles this year.

dmek25 · 01-02-2007, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by 12thMan

Perhaps these stats can help us put Taylor's effort in perspective a little more.

i never once questioned Taylors effort. and i already know Taylor is trying to make up for a porous defense. but maybe he needs to concentrate on his assignments, first. and i don't think anyone will argue that he has missed a ton of tackles this season. as well as everyone else on the redskins defensive side of the ball

01-02-2007, 10:13 AM	#61
gabe1984 Special Teams Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 372	Re: sean taylor??? On the John Thompson radio show last week CP said that the Sean Taylor may be missing tackles, but the tackles he is missing he isn't even supposed to be making. He's basically putting himself in position to make plays that are supposed to be other people's responsibilities, but they're not doing it. I've noticed that myself too, on a lot of his missed tackles he's running to the other side of the field, where it seams that there should have been a lot more skins getting to that player before Taylor has to run all the way over from the other side. So he may be missing tackles, but in many cases Taylor is trying to clean up because people who were in much better position to make the play didn't do it.

01-02-2007, 10:35 AM	#63
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: sean taylor??? What's with all the personal attacks on this thread? __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

01-02-2007, 10:36 AM	#64
mheisig The Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: The Southeast Age: 40 Posts: 2,119	Re: sean taylor??? I think Taylor's regression is first and foremost a coaching problem. The ESPN article a few weeks back with the "anonymous player" that comment quite a bit on the secondary and the coaching staff issues there I think really highlighted what's going on. Two separate coaches for the CBs and Safety's, neither units meeting together is just the start of the problems. I've seen enough solid play from Taylor over the years that I'm not worried in the least bit. Hell, he's the only player on the defense I think should definitely be kept on the team. What do you expect of a guy playing on this defense this year? He's working with a guy like AA who can't cover his own shadow, then with various backups at safety and CB who get changed like a dirty t-shirt. He's got Rogers playing CB, who apparently has bricks for hands, and then Springs who's only there half the time, so the rest of the time it's a backup of some sort. Next he's got linebackers who are abysmal, and a D-line that is letting the opposing RBs get 10 yards downfield without ever getting a hand on them. What do you honestly expect one guy to be able to do with that kind of talent around him? It's really remarkable he's not worse this year if you think about it. __________________ Your post count, reputation score, popularity ranking, VIP tag or funny signature has no bearing on how I value you as an individual.

01-02-2007, 12:17 PM	#69
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lexington, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,225	Re: sean taylor??? Just for some levity. Does Merriman have to register his head as a lethal weapon? You could stab a mofo with that thing! __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

01-02-2007, 12:27 PM	#70
The Zimmermans Impact Rookie Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Woodley Park, Washington DC Age: 40 Posts: 937	Re: sean taylor??? ST is the only presense we have on defense right now. No one from any other team could name any of our other players, cause Sean is the only one that makes plays and puts fear in the opposing team. He is the SAFETY, not the linebacker, he's not supposed to have to make that many tackles. If Lamar and warrick could get off their blocks, maybe sean wouldnt have to run down an untouched tiki barber __________________ Dan Snyder is a Cancer, Joe Gibbs is the Cure

01-02-2007, 12:51 PM	#73
marius Special Teams Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 136	Re: sean taylor??? I've been frustrated with Taylor for a while but not because he is a bad player or even that he is playing particularly poorly. My frustration is more to do with the fact that he IS underachieving. I don't think that you can say that he has played as badly as some of you have made out but he shouldn't be just a decent player, with his talent he should be a regular pro bowler. Undoubtedly, the piss poor defense has not helped and left him papering over cracks way too much but the guy is a beast and even playing well below his potential is still our best defender. Taylor could be a truly great player and I hope that next season he switches on and doesn't just try to make the monster play all the time.

01-02-2007, 01:30 PM	#74
12thMan MVP Join Date: May 2005 Location: washington, D.C. Posts: 11,460	Re: sean taylor??? Perhaps these stats can help us put Taylor's effort in perspective a little more. Here are the stats of the tree safeties that were elected to the Pro-Bowl for the NFC. I threw in Ed Reed from the AFC just to see how he compared to one of the elite safeties in the NFL. Ed Reed first. 59 Tackles 8 assists. Reed was seventh on his team in tackles. I was amazed to see how many of their linebackers were ahead of him. I guess that's why they have the number one defense in the league. NFC. Brian Dawkins. 93 tackles 71 assists 2nd on team in tackles Roy Williams. 62 tackles 10 assists 4th on team " " Adrian Wilson 82 tackles 8 assists 3rd on team " " Sean Taylor 111 tackles 25 assists 1st on team " " Taylor led all safties and many linebackers in the NFC in total number of tackles this year.

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