Gregg Williams has to go

Beemnseven · 11-21-2006, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

I have repeatedly defended Williams and will continue to do so. However, as the Post recently pointed out, Williams' hands are all over the personnel decisions.

I don't believe everything the Post says. This pattern started long before Williams was ever employed here.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 11-21-2006, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I don't believe everything the Post says. This pattern started long before Williams was ever employed here.

Gibbs is in control of player personnel and I think Gibbs is the type of guy who would be willing to defer to Williams on matters of defense (incl. player acquisition).

charlielyons · 11-21-2006, 07:15 PM

i also am sick of people wanting quick fixes. we need to stop signing free agents and sign our studs who are becomeing f.a ex.pierce,smoot. if anyone snyder is to blame by bringing in high dollar names not high dollar talent

jdlea · 11-21-2006, 07:57 PM

I don't think Gregg Williams should be fired by any means. However, there were times last year when I found myself wondering "what kind of a defensive scheme is that?" Sometimes it seems like he relies too much on Sean Taylor's athleticism. Granted, that is a huge advantage to have but sometimes it seemed like last season he wasn't getting the corners deep enough and the safeties were trying to cover too much ground. However, last year those blitzes consistently got to the QB. Now it seems like nothing is working (on either side of the ball) so I don't think you can have this knee jerk reaction and fire the guy.

I do, however, think that this football team's lack of heart/fire/tackling ability/whatever you want to call it is a direct reflection of the coaching staff. How many teams come out and make the stupid mistakes the Skins do? How can you look at that team and say "that's a well coached team?" You can't. The only reason coaches aren't blamed here is because it's Gibbs and Williams. Saunders has a proven track record and we throw him under the bus. (I have own opinions about that, but I'm not gonna get into them) I think that whatever is going on, the coaches are getting the players prepared. The Skins are doing a lot of the little things wrong and it's hard to win football games that way. When you make stupid penalties and mental mistakes, I don't feel like that's all the players failures.

What's so strange about all this is that we all know that Gibbs, Williams, Saunders & co didn't forget how to coach. We also know that Washington, Taylor, Springs, & co didn't forget how to play. So what the hell's going on? The NFL is a fickle beast and winning is tough to maintain.

I think that a big problem has been the constant acquisitions. Be they coaches or the replacing of role players with supposed superstars. Every guy on the team can't try to make every play. There's only one football. (I mean that metaphorically, it applies to the D as well) It's obvious that the team is missing something, what that is I don't know.

atomicnixon · 11-21-2006, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by SkinsLove24/7

Wow. Talk about jumping the gun here. Think of the past two seasons under GW. The defense has been lights out. We were all so happy when we inked him for an extension in the offseason. If anyone made mistakes it was Snyder going out and attempting to upgrade the defense when it either wasn't needed and basically didn't work. The problem this season seems to be basically just a lack of skill on defense. I don't think this is GW's fault. Letting him go could be the worst move the team could make at this point.

So true. When they say this a "what have you done for me lately league," they are right. Do you not remember the 2004 and 2005 Redskins Defense? It is having the same problems that the 2004 Redskins offense had, and the next year the offense came out swinging. I HOPE TO GOD GREGG WILLIAMS STAYS. It would be a sad day in Redskins history if we cut him loose. I guarentee, we will make a splash in Free Agency this year, and draft some good defensive backs, and the Defense will come out swinging.

The inconsistancy in the Redskins coaching staff could be what has hurt the team the most since Gibbs' last tenure at the helm. The Defense will bounce back, I have no doubt.

Side Note: Gregg Williams had this happen to him once when he was in Tennessee and the next year the Defense took the Titans to the Super Bowl.

T.A.P.O.A.F.O.R. · 11-21-2006, 11:05 PM

GW is a fine coach, but his input on personnel has not gone so well, and numerous sources have concluded that his input was big. i actually think gibbs needs to separate himself from the coaches more or hire a GM. we need someone who will say, "no. sorry. suck on it."

chris36 · 11-22-2006, 01:16 AM

All I can say is, I am glad Cambell is finally in there, but our offense is not the reason we are 3-7. We are 3-7 because of our Th ranked defense. The next move Williams is probably going to make is to take Carter out of the starting line up. Then we will have 65 million on the bench.

LongTimeSkinsFan · 11-22-2006, 01:33 AM

The last thing we need to do is put any of the main coaches out on their ear. That's been the birthmark for the skins consistent failure since Snyder bought the team. The keys to building a 'dynasty' or a winning tradition are consistency and continuity (and winning).

I understand that player turnover is inevitable in the age of free agency but people simply aren't plug n play. How much turnover is too much so that it destroys the continuity and cohesiveness of team? I don't know for sure, but I think that is one of the issues we're experiencing this year.

Certainly, poor decision making in the signing of free agents has especially hurt the defense. Archuleta has turned into a major mistake along with the failure to resign Ryan Clark. Carter is grossly underperforming as well.

Injuries have really exposed our defense early on in the season as well. It's pretty obvious we sorely missed Springs at corner and it seems there was a major drop off in talent after Prioleau in the depth chart. Losing him the first play of the season put a dent in our DB depth.

While it may be necessary to adjust personnel duties within the organization, I don't think throwing GW under the bus solves any of the issues I've outlined so I can't see how ousting him is going to solve our defensive problems.

jesstrx · 11-22-2006, 05:33 AM

Remember last year when we all thought he was awesome and we had to, had to, had to keep him? And the Skins paid him handsomely to get him to stay? I remember that. I was stoked that he stayed with the Skins despite having possible opportunities elsewhere. I think he's an asset to the team, we are lucky to have him. If it aint stressing you out, it aint skins football, yeah, the team is lousy this year but I don't think firing one of the best defensive coaches in football is the answer.

vaoutlaws2006 · 11-22-2006, 07:10 AM

Its real easy to blame GW for all the defensive short comings. Coaches coach and players play. I think we made so mistakes as far as personnel go such as letting ryan clark go and signing AA to replace him and not to mention what i see as the most glaring loss on in the defense...losing pierson priealou (not sure on the spelling). One final thought I think Lemar Marshall has been exposed. I see MLB as a position that needs to see a change. and please play rocky in place of Holdman.

dmek25 · 11-22-2006, 07:21 AM

coaches in this league don't all of a sudden forget how to coach. injuries, and bad player acquisitions are the problem

GoSkins! · 11-22-2006, 08:17 AM

Williams has fielded top defenses in this league for a long time. Letting him go would be about the stupidist thing the team could do. Our defense is having an off year, but trhey will improve.

DirtBagZ · 11-22-2006, 08:30 AM

We need to address our defensive line, and it needs to be done through the draft. We should probably use every we pick we have on defensive players, linemen first and formost, then DBs and LBs. We seem to be short corners, which is something that needs to be addressed.

If we could actual generate a pass rush, or have a defensive line that could slow down the oppositions running game, all other aspects of the defense will look better. I know this is stating the obvious but given the lack of focus at Redskins park, it is worth stating.

Jason72 · 11-22-2006, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by jdlea

The only reason coaches aren't blamed here is because it's Gibbs and Williams.

LOL, Williams and Gibbs are being roasted by most in the media and many fans. In many cases it is probably more than they deserve.

People forget the fickle nature of the NFL. Teams are up one season and down the next. Take the Bucs for example, they don't bring in many FA's every year and yet they fell just like we did. In spite of this well known fact, everyone seems to think that all our problems will be solved if we just start "building through the draft". Newsflash: 31 teams attempt to build through the draft and not all of them are good.

The Zimmermans · 11-22-2006, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Jason72

LOL, Williams and Gibbs are being roasted by most in the media and many fans. In many cases it is probably more than they deserve.

People forget the fickle nature of the NFL. Teams are up one season and down the next. Take the Bucs for example, they don't bring in many FA's every year and yet they fell just like we did. In spite of this well known fact, everyone seems to think that all our problems will be solved if we just start "building through the draft". Newsflash: 31 teams attempt to build through the draft and not all of them are good.

Other teams build in the draft, and all of them have good seasons here or there. We never have good seasons, cause we are always rebuilding. With old washed up FAs, you always must rebuild at year end.

11-21-2006, 07:15 PM	#63
charlielyons Special Teams Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Richmond, Va Posts: 394	Re: Gregg Williams has to go i also am sick of people wanting quick fixes. we need to stop signing free agents and sign our studs who are becomeing f.a ex.pierce,smoot. if anyone snyder is to blame by bringing in high dollar names not high dollar talent

11-21-2006, 07:57 PM	#64
jdlea Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, VA Age: 40 Posts: 3,109	Re: Gregg Williams has to go I don't think Gregg Williams should be fired by any means. However, there were times last year when I found myself wondering "what kind of a defensive scheme is that?" Sometimes it seems like he relies too much on Sean Taylor's athleticism. Granted, that is a huge advantage to have but sometimes it seemed like last season he wasn't getting the corners deep enough and the safeties were trying to cover too much ground. However, last year those blitzes consistently got to the QB. Now it seems like nothing is working (on either side of the ball) so I don't think you can have this knee jerk reaction and fire the guy. I do, however, think that this football team's lack of heart/fire/tackling ability/whatever you want to call it is a direct reflection of the coaching staff. How many teams come out and make the stupid mistakes the Skins do? How can you look at that team and say "that's a well coached team?" You can't. The only reason coaches aren't blamed here is because it's Gibbs and Williams. Saunders has a proven track record and we throw him under the bus. (I have own opinions about that, but I'm not gonna get into them) I think that whatever is going on, the coaches are getting the players prepared. The Skins are doing a lot of the little things wrong and it's hard to win football games that way. When you make stupid penalties and mental mistakes, I don't feel like that's all the players failures. What's so strange about all this is that we all know that Gibbs, Williams, Saunders & co didn't forget how to coach. We also know that Washington, Taylor, Springs, & co didn't forget how to play. So what the hell's going on? The NFL is a fickle beast and winning is tough to maintain. I think that a big problem has been the constant acquisitions. Be they coaches or the replacing of role players with supposed superstars. Every guy on the team can't try to make every play. There's only one football. (I mean that metaphorically, it applies to the D as well) It's obvious that the team is missing something, what that is I don't know.

11-21-2006, 11:05 PM	#66
T.A.P.O.A.F.O.R. Camp Scrub Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 94	Re: Gregg Williams has to go GW is a fine coach, but his input on personnel has not gone so well, and numerous sources have concluded that his input was big. i actually think gibbs needs to separate himself from the coaches more or hire a GM. we need someone who will say, "no. sorry. suck on it."

11-22-2006, 01:16 AM	#67
chris36 Special Teams Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 183	Re: Gregg Williams has to go All I can say is, I am glad Cambell is finally in there, but our offense is not the reason we are 3-7. We are 3-7 because of our Th ranked defense. The next move Williams is probably going to make is to take Carter out of the starting line up. Then we will have 65 million on the bench.

11-22-2006, 01:33 AM	#68
LongTimeSkinsFan Impact Rookie Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: LaVale MD Age: 62 Posts: 515	Re: Gregg Williams has to go The last thing we need to do is put any of the main coaches out on their ear. That's been the birthmark for the skins consistent failure since Snyder bought the team. The keys to building a 'dynasty' or a winning tradition are consistency and continuity (and winning). I understand that player turnover is inevitable in the age of free agency but people simply aren't plug n play. How much turnover is too much so that it destroys the continuity and cohesiveness of team? I don't know for sure, but I think that is one of the issues we're experiencing this year. Certainly, poor decision making in the signing of free agents has especially hurt the defense. Archuleta has turned into a major mistake along with the failure to resign Ryan Clark. Carter is grossly underperforming as well. Injuries have really exposed our defense early on in the season as well. It's pretty obvious we sorely missed Springs at corner and it seems there was a major drop off in talent after Prioleau in the depth chart. Losing him the first play of the season put a dent in our DB depth. While it may be necessary to adjust personnel duties within the organization, I don't think throwing GW under the bus solves any of the issues I've outlined so I can't see how ousting him is going to solve our defensive problems. __________________ ...skins fan since 72 and still breathin'!

11-22-2006, 05:33 AM	#69
jesstrx Camp Scrub Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: North Carolina Posts: 2	Re: Gregg Williams has to go Remember last year when we all thought he was awesome and we had to, had to, had to keep him? And the Skins paid him handsomely to get him to stay? I remember that. I was stoked that he stayed with the Skins despite having possible opportunities elsewhere. I think he's an asset to the team, we are lucky to have him. If it aint stressing you out, it aint skins football, yeah, the team is lousy this year but I don't think firing one of the best defensive coaches in football is the answer.

11-22-2006, 07:10 AM	#70
vaoutlaws2006 Impact Rookie Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Fayettenam, NC Age: 52 Posts: 806	Re: Gregg Williams has to go Its real easy to blame GW for all the defensive short comings. Coaches coach and players play. I think we made so mistakes as far as personnel go such as letting ryan clark go and signing AA to replace him and not to mention what i see as the most glaring loss on in the defense...losing pierson priealou (not sure on the spelling). One final thought I think Lemar Marshall has been exposed. I see MLB as a position that needs to see a change. and please play rocky in place of Holdman. __________________ The future is obviously right now!

11-22-2006, 07:21 AM	#71
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 63 Posts: 10,672	Re: Gregg Williams has to go coaches in this league don't all of a sudden forget how to coach. injuries, and bad player acquisitions are the problem __________________ "It's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt." courtesy of 53fan

11-22-2006, 08:17 AM	#72
GoSkins! The Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Yorktown, Va Age: 55 Posts: 1,587	Re: Gregg Williams has to go Williams has fielded top defenses in this league for a long time. Letting him go would be about the stupidist thing the team could do. Our defense is having an off year, but trhey will improve. __________________ Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts. A. Einstien

11-22-2006, 08:30 AM	#73
DirtBagZ Special Teams Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 481	Re: Gregg Williams has to go We need to address our defensive line, and it needs to be done through the draft. We should probably use every we pick we have on defensive players, linemen first and formost, then DBs and LBs. We seem to be short corners, which is something that needs to be addressed. If we could actual generate a pass rush, or have a defensive line that could slow down the oppositions running game, all other aspects of the defense will look better. I know this is stating the obvious but given the lack of focus at Redskins park, it is worth stating.

Gregg Williams has to go

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