Theismann made a great point during MNF.

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

WRONG!!!!!! I was actually about to throw my remote through the screen during the Tampa game. That was one of the most awful game plans I have ever seen. How can an NFL playoff team have 41 yards passing? Brunell takes some of that but the play calling needed to be more aggresive. If you can remember the offense played HORRIBLE during that 5 game stretch in some of those games and needed the defense to pull it out. Yes the offese played well against Dallas and NY but remember Arizona, Philly and St louis? Plus two awful playff games???? Do you have a clue what your talking about? That is why he brough in Sanders becasue his offense stunk when it mattered the most. Yes Gibbs does not call the plays but I'm sure he has his prints all over the game plan. I don't EVER remembering Saunders running this type of offense in KC. Brunell can make passes down the field. It just needs to be when the defense isn't expecting it. MORE PASSES ON 1ST DOWN.

i might not have a clue, but one thing i do know is that last year the redskins won 10 games, and a playoff game with Joe Gibbs as offensive coordinator. and Mark brunell as qback. i guess that means maybe Mr Saunders is the one that has to adapt rather then the other way around

[skinsfan69]

You are correct. They did win 10 games. But if you ask me, it was one of the weakest 10 games you will ever see.

[The Zimmermans]

We won 10 games, that is the minimum for a playoff team, a team with 10 wins has many flaws. We lost 7 times last year, counting the playoffs, there needed to be improvements, and saunders was that step, it's the defense that's the problem. Taking out brunell is just the only move that could make a difference at the moment. There needs to be big changes on defense in the off season if we don't perform this weekend with all our starters back

[skinsfan69]

The d-fense just does not have the horses. No playmakers on the front seven. Joe S. seems to always have nagging injuries, Daniles is too old and slow. Carter? Whoever signed off on bringing him here should be removed from personal moves. And can someone tell me why Holdman is still in the frickin line-up when they traded THIS YEAR'S 2nd rounder to move up to get Rocky M??? Another bad move. If you make that kind of move Rocky M. should be inserted into the starting line-up the day he walks in the door. Put Holdman on teams. What a bunch of BS! And can someone teach Carlos R. how to adjust to the ball when it's in the air? He's seems very uncomfortable in man coverage.

[MTK]

10 wins in this league, or 11 if you count the playoffs, is not a fluke. We were 5-1 in the division, that's not a fluke either.

[The Zimmermans]

i never said it was a fluke, but 10 wins is not a perfect season, you can't sit on ten wins, you must improve on ten wins, which we were attempting to do when we got saunders.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by The Zimmermans

i never said it was a fluke, but 10 wins is not a perfect season, you can't sit on ten wins, you must improve on ten wins, which we were attempting to do when we got saunders.

I agree.

My response was directed towards skinsfan69 who said our 11 wins were weak.

[The Zimmermans]

oh, yeah, either way, I really did think we were gonna have a good season this year, since we ended on such a good note, the defense just let us down. We probably should have focused primarily on depth in the offseason instead of signing big names. It's ok to win with defense like we did last year.

[dmek25]

the redskins won 10 games last. by far they were not perfect. but the players that were added didn't perform the way the front office thought that they would. with that being said, coach Gibbs proved his style can succeed in this league. i can still remember the disaster he inherited, i, for one, will take double digit victorys and playoffs every year

[724Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by dmek25

the redskins won 10 games last. by far they were not perfect. but the players that were added didn't perform the way the front office thought that they would. with that being said, coach Gibbs proved his style can succeed in this league. i can still remember the disaster he inherited, i, for one, will take double digit victorys and playoffs every year

Here's what I will be satisfied with, dmek. Every Sunday when I look at the matchup between te Skins and their opponent I want to say "the Titans suck we should beat them" or "the Giants look pretty good but not great, we should have a real close game". So far, I'm not getting that. We are the consumate "shooting-one's-self-in-the-foot" team. In a word, I want predictability. I have no idea which Redskins team will show up from week to week.

[The Zimmermans]

Yeah, Too much needs to go our way for us to win on sunday.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I agree.

My response was directed towards skinsfan69 who said our 11 wins were weak.

Sorry but they were weak. Yes 5-1 in the div. was good. Very good. And there were some good wins against Dallas, Seattle and NY. But looking back a close win against Philly w/out McNabb is weak. I mean that game was almost lost and Philly had Mike M. and Detmer! A win against St. Louis against it's 3rd stringer is weak. Barely beating Arizona is weak. A win against Chicago playing at home against rookie qb is weak. And don't get me started on the Tampa Game with that pee-wee league 41 yards passing. If the defense doesn't score in that game it's a loss. The bottom line is the defense has fallen apart this year and can no longer carry the offense. And personally I'm just tired of this out dated run first pound it down your throat approach when the line is not as good as advertised. If you ask me we need to start rebuilding in that area too. No young talent as back-ups.

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by 724Skinsfan

Here's what I will be satisfied with, dmek. Every Sunday when I look at the matchup between te Skins and their opponent I want to say "the Titans suck we should beat them" or "the Giants look pretty good but not great, we should have a real close game". So far, I'm not getting that. We are the consumate "shooting-one's-self-in-the-foot" team. In a word, I want predictability. I have no idea which Redskins team will show up from week to week.

consistency is what all teams in any sport strive for. but i do agree, if the redskins are to be the team that we all want them to be, you should be able to look at the schedule and pretty much circle the games that are gimmes. there is no way the skins of yesteryears success lose to a team like the titans. too much Jekyll and Hyde

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Sorry but they were weak. Yes 5-1 in the div. was good. Very good. And there were some good wins against Dallas, Seattle and NY. But looking back a close win against Philly w/out McNabb is weak. I mean that game was almost lost and Philly had Mike M. and Detmer! A win against St. Louis against it's 3rd stringer is weak. Barely beating Arizona is weak. A win against Chicago playing at home against rookie qb is weak. And don't get me started on the Tampa Game with that pee-wee league 41 yards passing. If the defense doesn't score in that game it's a loss. The bottom line is the defense has fallen apart this year and can no longer carry the offense. And personally I'm just tired of this out dated run first pound it down your throat approach when the line is not as good as advertised. If you ask me we need to start rebuilding in that area too. No young talent as back-ups.

I think you should look around the league and see how other teams have won over the years. You'll probably find a lot of "weak" wins. At the end of the day though, a win is a win is a win.

[The Zimmermans]

Yeah, there is no such thing as a weak win, we had multiple victories snatched from us last year as well, chiefs and tampa. It all balances out int the end. we deserved those ten wins given our schedule. A first place schedule might have led to less success.