Brett Favre Decision

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Fair enough you don't like the guy, but what about your false statements about him being responsible for the team's failures the past few years. As I pointed out last year is the only losing season the Packers have had under him. They've been a perennial playoff team for over a decade now. At least give him some respect for what he's done on the field.

Fair enough Matty, as far as his whole career goes. You have to give him credit, he’s been great at times, or should I say was great.
But as for the past few years, he has really played recklessly & I believe the team has been bailed out by the running game, driver & walker, and a decent defense. If he did say “what are they going to do, cut me?” then he does deserve some criticism. He’s the qp, not the GM & he’s taking advantage of his status IMO. I don’t begrudge him too much for it though, he’s facing a major change in his life. But I do think its fair to say that he’s not acting in the team’s best interests right now & that as a player he’s nowhere near his mvp years. Bottom line for Green Bay is that this team lacks a lot & Farve coming back is unlikely to get them to the playoffs no matter who they sign.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

But as for the past few years, he has really played recklessly & I believe the team has been bailed out by the running game, driver & walker, and a decent defense.

Why does everyone keep saying "past few years"? The Packers were in the playoff the season before last. He had a poor season last year, because all his weapons were injured. ALL of them, except the #2 receiver.

And the only reason they were good before was because of the running game, receivers and defense?!?! So you're basically saying they won, in spite of Favre. Please find anyone who knows anything about football, that agrees with that comment. The Packers haven't had a top tier defense in six seasons. And to claim that the offense is only good because of everyone except the quarterback(especially when the QB is Favre) is ridiculous.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

Fair enough Matty, as far as his whole career goes. You have to give him credit, he’s been great at times, or should I say was great.
But as for the past few years, he has really played recklessly & I believe the team has been bailed out by the running game, driver & walker, and a decent defense. If he did say “what are they going to do, cut me?” then he does deserve some criticism. He’s the qp, not the GM & he’s taking advantage of his status IMO. I don’t begrudge him too much for it though, he’s facing a major change in his life. But I do think its fair to say that he’s not acting in the team’s best interests right now & that as a player he’s nowhere near his mvp years. Bottom line for Green Bay is that this team lacks a lot & Farve coming back is unlikely to get them to the playoffs no matter who they sign.

Let's take a look at his actual numbers rather than just throwing around claims about him being any more reckless in the past few years vs. Favre in his early years.

Last year was the first time since 1993 that he's thrown more INTs than TDs.

For his career he's thrown 255 INTs, or an average of 17 per season. During that time he threw 396 TDs, or 26.4 per season.

So let's get real, he's never been a QB that you would call a game manager, or a guy who limits his INTs and plays conservative. He's always been an all or nothing, force throws into tight spaces, and go for broke kind of QB. An old fashioned gunslinger in the truest sense.

He's always been the kind of QB that will throw 15-20 picks per year, but you could also count on 30 or more TD throws most years.

If you take a look at his numbers from season to season, there's not a whole lot different between what he's done in the last 5 years when compared to his first 5 years as a starter, or the middle 5 years or so. He's a high risk, high payoff QB. Always has been, always will.

Prior to the disaster that was the 2005 Packers, he was coming off one of his better years in 2004 when he threw for 4088 yards, 30 TDs and 17 INTs and a 92.4 rating.

I don't think his game dropped off that much last year, but the team round him did. The injuries piled up and by the end of the year he was throwing to guys like Rod Gardner and handing off to Sam Gado for petes sake.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Fair enough you don't like the guy, but what about your false statements about him being responsible for the team's failures the past few years. As I pointed out last year is the only losing season the Packers have had under him. They've been a perennial playoff team for over a decade now. At least give him some respect for what he's done on the field.

Fine, if it makes you happy, I'll retract my statement about his poor play as a factor for "the past few seasons". Yes, he's put up a hell of a lot of stats and more than likely gets into the HOF. But let's not lose ourselves in orgasmic convulsions about the notion that somehow he single-handedly carried the Packers to winning records since '93. There are other guys on those Green Bay teams who dominated the game at the time, along with a superb collection of coaches that put it all together. No, I don't take anything away from his accomplishments, but by the same token, I don't think we can dismiss his 67 interceptions over the past three seasons at some pretty inopportune times that no one seems to care about.

I won't however, allow his current demonstrations of being a whiney little bitch take away from my overall dislike for the man. Not to mention this long held love affair the media has for their Golden Boy.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Fine, if it makes you happy, I'll retract my statement about his poor play as a factor for "the past few seasons". Yes, he's put up a hell of a lot of stats and more than likely gets into the HOF. But let's not lose ourselves in orgasmic convulsions about the notion that somehow he single-handedly carried the Packers to winning records since '93. There are other guys on those Green Bay teams who dominated the game at the time, along with a superb collection of coaches that put it all together. No, I don't take anything away from his accomplishments, but by the same token, I don't think we can dismiss his 67 interceptions over the past three seasons at some pretty inopportune times that no one seems to care about.

I won't however, allow his current demonstrations of being a whiney little bitch take away from my overall dislike for the man. Not to mention this long held love affair the media has for their Golden Boy.

Of course he's not single handedly responsible for the Packers success, who's saying that he is? Besides, what player in NFL history has been single handedly responsible for any long-term success of a team??

But you can't deny he's been a huge part of it. I can't imagine the Packers having anywhere near the same kind of success they've had over the last 14 years with someone else playing QB.

Yeah he's thrown 67 INTs over the last three years, but you also failed to mention he threw 82 TDs over that same time.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

He's a putz.

Look Matty, I don't have any evidence to back up my gut feeling about the guy.

I just think he's a putz, that's all.

He's a putz? Good argument. I think Carson Palmer is a putz. Cincy should cut him too.

But seriously, I'm not surprised at all by the bashing of Favre on this board. To me it just seems like bitterness, since Washington hasn't had a quarterback that anyone cared about his retirement since Joe Thiessman.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

He's a putz? Good argument. I think Carson Palmer is a putz. Cincy should cut him too.

But seriously, I'm not surprised at all by the bashing of Favre on this board. To me it just seems like bitterness, since Washington hasn't had a quarterback that anyone cared about his retirement since Joe Thiessman.

Call it bitterness, call it whatever you want. I never claimed that my gut feeling about him being a putz was a "good argument". It's my gut feeling.

Deal with it, or don't. I don't care. He's a putz and I'll be glad when he's gone.

[Riggo44]

How about Farve being a hypocrite?

He's called his own players out in the past for holding out. And now does the same thing 2 years in a row. I must say I'm sick of hearing about it. But I think Farve needs to take a long look in the mirror and see how He looks to the rest of us.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by Riggo44

How about Farve being a hypocrite?

He's called his own players out in the past for holding out. And now does the same thing 2 years in a row. I must say I'm sick of hearing about it. But I think Farve needs to take a long look in the mirror and see how He looks to the rest of us.

That's funny...when did Favre miss camp? When did Javon Walker miss camp, for that matter? Walker said he showed up out of respect for Brett Favre and the team. I remember hearing an interview on NFL Radio where they basically tried to bait Walker into saying that Favre should mind his own business. Walker just said that when a guy like that says he wants you in camp, you know you're an important part of the team and he hoped the organization would listen to Brett. So, basically, he got Javon into camp.

[That Guy]

his bullying javon into camp without a new contract (and javon getting hurt and favre not stepping up to help him get the contract money that injury cost him) was crappy

the constant "i might retire" thing the last few years is kinda crappy (how about not mentioning it till it actually happens, instead of using it as a convenient and constant guilt trip).

refusing to help rogers is a bit crappy of him too.

yes, he's been through a lot, but most people don't take 3+ years to make a decision on retiring. He' really over-milking this thing and the media is being a bit too helpful.

Not saying he's a terrible player, etc etc, but he surely isn't perfect either.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by That Guy

his bullying javon into camp without a new contract (and javon getting hurt and favre not stepping up to help him get the contract money that injury cost him) was crappy

If Moss decided to hold out this season, and Brunell made a similar comment, you'd all be saying "Brunell's right, and Moss needs to stop being a punk".

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

If Moss decided to hold out this season, and Brunell made a similar comment, you'd all be saying "Brunell's right, and Moss needs to stop being a punk".

except he did hold out while getting his contract worked out and most people here understood that without the contract he couldn't risk an injury. It got taken care of, he came in and everything was fine. Such situations happen all the time; players need to protect their incomes. I don't think javon was being greedy at the time.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by That Guy

except he did hold out while getting his contract worked out and most people here understood that without the contract he couldn't risk an injury. It got taken care of, he came in and everything was fine. Such situations happen all the time; players need to protect their incomes. I don't think javon was being greedy at the time.

I agree that players need to get what they can, while they can, but I also agree that a player shouldn't get the farm because they had one good season(i.e. Albert Connell).

Anyway, my point was if Brunell, as the leader of the team, made a comment about a star player holding out, 90% of this forum would be all over his jock and talking about how he's right, and the other player needs to show up to camp.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

I agree that players need to get what they can, while they can, but I also agree that a player shouldn't get the farm because they had one good season(i.e. Albert Connell).

Anyway, my point was if Brunell, as the leader of the team, made a comment about a star player holding out, 90% of this forum would be all over his jock and talking about how he's right, and the other player needs to show up to camp.

maybe they should be all up in brunell's jock for being selfish and not looking out for his teammates.

[gibbs4life]

he,s coming back,especiallyif lavar wants to go to green bay.....

he will be back..