Your opinion on the Skins free agent moves so far?

[That Guy]

I called for fauria, but thought El would be overpriced. I was 2/2 on that. no clue about those others though.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by That Guy

I called for fauria, but thought El would be overpriced. I was 2/2 on that. no clue about those others though.

True, I think you and diehard were the only ones to even mention Fauria. I think that was a concern a lot of us had about El...we should know by now that "overpriced" isn't in Snyder's vocabulary.

[mooby]

I think all the moves are great, we are plugging in the holes, but i also think that we seriously overpaid for randle el and archuleta. Sean Taylor has 17 mil over 7 years, Archuleta has 30 mil over 6 years. Something tells me in a couple seasons or such taylor will be holding out for a new deal. Randle el, while being good at a variety of positions, is not worth 30 mil. And if we don't win the super bowl in say, 4 years, we will be in cap hell. I can only hope that they don't give brandon lloyd 30 mil to be our #2 as well. Andre Carter imo deserved it, he's a proven pass rusher who might be able to make the same impact as griffin. i dunno anything about fauria's deal, but i doubt it's more then 5 mil. I wouldn't put it past this FO though.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by mooby

I think all the moves are great, we are plugging in the holes, but i also think that we seriously overpaid for randle el and archuleta. Sean Taylor has 17 mil over 7 years, Archuleta has 30 mil over 6 years. Something tells me in a couple seasons or such taylor will be holding out for a new deal. Randle el, while being good at a variety of positions, is not worth 30 mil. And if we don't win the super bowl in say, 4 years, we will be in cap hell. I can only hope that they don't give brandon lloyd 30 mil to be our #2 as well. Andre Carter imo deserved it, he's a proven pass rusher who might be able to make the same impact as griffin. i dunno anything about fauria's deal, but i doubt it's more then 5 mil. I wouldn't put it past this FO though.

when are new tv contracts? that might save our cap hell again... taylor's contract is only 18mill, but it can go up to 40mill (a baseball guy wrote it). pro-bowl = 9million bonus.

the biggest lesson from rogers and taylor should be that rookies are CHEAP and worth taking.

[taylor21dakila]

its aight da moves are good just im kinda concerned with da spending

[htownskinfan]

I think their good moves with a heavy price tag,I would like us to sign Vinateri,fg kickers can win or lose a game for you every week,I think their importance is underated,not having a good fg kicker cost us the playoffs in Norv's tenure and it made a difference last yr in field position

[That Guy]

i wish we got longwell just cause he's younger. i don't know how much vinetari wants, but its not like tyler jones or a drafted guy would help.

maybe the staff thinks hall's finally healthy and that's why he's still on the roster. The lull in FA signings means we're either waiting for the market to settle, we're good with what we've got, or we're playing with contracts and restructures to make space.

it looks like two OL guys have been targetted already by the skins FO (jeff mitchell and some guy that started some games for the giants last year), which means no spencer, which means once again that guy is sad

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Well, I voted 'other', because there's still work to be done in my mind. Though after voting that way, I realized the question did contain the words "so far." My bad.

I'm a little hesitant about Brandon Lloyd. I agree we needed not one, but two upgrades at wide receiver, because I think Thrash and Taylor Jacobs are jokes. But dammit, I'm tired of parting with draft picks. Doesn't anybody else feel like we might have been able to find a wideout on par with Lloyd's abilities without giving up a 3rd and 4th rounder?

Randle El is the real deal, and I'm ecstatic that he's a Redskin. Those that point to his modest career stats have to remember that he comes from a 'run first, run second and throw only when you absolutely have to' type of offense in Pittsburgh. His value in returning punts and kicks will be pivotal, too. Adam Archuletta was also a need, and it's good to see the Skins having an eye for the future when Sean Taylor's legal status is still in question.

Now we need to concentrate on defensive line, corner and O-line depth. I know some of these areas will be addressed on the draft using whatever picks we have left.

Agreed. I'm a little concerned that we gave up two draft picks for Lloyd. Thats a little much for a 3rd receiver. We all agree that Thrash isn't a #2. Patten would do well as a #3 (w/ 2 other threats on the field). Thrash would most likely do well as a #3 as well.

I'm no "capoligist" but at some point i think the signing bonuses have to come back to bite us.
10mill Randel El
10mill Arch
10m Carter
Lloyd? Close to 10m?

=40 mill so far

Don't get me wrong i like the talent but i don't want it to come back and bite us 2 years from now. I do trust gibbs & co but in my opinion we didn't need 2 wr's.

[PWNED]

i really dont think theres going to be a clear-cut #1 receiver. they might have that title, but i have this feeling there will be plays written up for each and every1.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by redsk1

Agreed. I'm a little concerned that we gave up two draft picks for Lloyd. Thats a little much for a 3rd receiver. We all agree that Thrash isn't a #2. Patten would do well as a #3 (w/ 2 other threats on the field). Thrash would most likely do well as a #3 as well.

I'm no "capoligist" but at some point i think the signing bonuses have to come back to bite us.
10mill Randel El
10mill Arch
10m Carter
Lloyd? Close to 10m?

=40 mill so far

Don't get me wrong i like the talent but i don't want it to come back and bite us 2 years from now. I do trust gibbs & co but in my opinion we didn't need 2 wr's.

lloyd is the #2 possession type, El is the slot guy (he's better there) patten is the key reserve. saunders is probably going to use a base 3wr set instead of a base 2 TE set like last year (or a FB/RB base set), so that's why they want 3 good WRs + a backup.

they all count less than 3mill this year (arch 1mill less than the other 3). later on the cap either needs to continue to expand enough to keep the skins afloat on restructures until new labor or tv contracts kick in, while doing typical house cleaning to tweak the yearly roster.

the 6 and 7 year deals really allow you to get good value if the players do well, cause you're (hopefully) paying a 2006 non-peak production wage for years of peak production in 2007-2010. Drafting is still a MUCH better value though.

[#56fanatic]

I like them. Not so sure if there are enough balls though. Portis needs 20 or so carries a game. Moss,Lloyd,Cooley,Randel El,Patten. thats a lot of touches, just hope no one starts bitching.

[PWNED]

i worried about that too until i read what gibbs had to say. he said something about when he had clark, sanders and monk that one of them was always unhappy, but they knew they would score a lot of points and get a lot of yards.

[Twilbert07]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

I like them. Not so sure if there are enough balls though. Portis needs 20 or so carries a game. Moss,Lloyd,Cooley,Randel El,Patten. thats a lot of touches, just hope no one starts bitching.

There probably will be some bitching and moaning at some point, but as long as Gibbs keeps everyone on target for the playoffs, all the receivers should be OK. And odds are that one or two of the receivers will miss a few games with injury.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by That Guy

which 3rd rounder is going to put up 800-1000yards THIS year. immediate impact beyond the 1st round is very hard to find. cooley looks like a 800yard/year TE, but in his first year he only put up 260yards.

WR and DE draftees are notoriously bad at being useful early on.

That's assuming we would have picked a WR or DE with the 3rd round pick. Cornerbacks and offensive line help are also on the needs list. My contention is that there might have been a wideout that we could have acquired through free agency close to Lloyd's ability that wouldn't have costed us draft picks.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

The problem is that with the new CBA extension, we KNOW the moves are going to come back to bite us ... well, at least a bit. Teams that go over the cap have the following year's cap reduced whereas teams that are over the cap have the following year's cap increased. So how many years is it going to take us to have a salary cap of $5 million?