Bills Post-Game Thread

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by MTK

I'm had enough of Gibson. The fumbling is just inexcusable.

The only reason he’s still with the team is the speed he has for his size, is hard to find anywhere. Someone needs to drill to his head to protect the ball or you are not playing.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by MTK

I'm had enough of Gibson. The fumbling is just inexcusable.

Same here. I wish we could have moved on from him and gotten someone like J. McKinnon.

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[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Same here. I wish we could have moved on from him and gotten someone like J. McKinnon.

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I wanted that dude.

Run the ball more EB. This Oline isn’t a 50 drop back oliine

[Chief X_Phackter]

I will give up .14 seconds (in 40 yards) to make sure we retain possession of the football. He's not that anomalous.

[skinsfan69]

I think the Snyder stuff when it comes to Ron is overblown. He hired Ron and left him alone. Ron had to deal with all the off field crap and name change, that w/out question was a distraction but he's been able to do his own thing here.

Gruden had to deal w/ way more than Ron. Ron got to bring in his own coaches and players. He perhaps had to take on Haskins in order to get the job, if that's true then that's his own fault.

I think Ron has got the team back to respectability. But that's as far as we're going w/ him.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I think the Snyder stuff when it comes to Ron is overblown. He hired Ron and left him alone. Ron had to deal with all the off field crap and name change, that w/out question was a distraction but he's been able to do his own thing here.

Gruden had to deal w/ way more than Ron. Ron got to bring in his own coaches and players. He perhaps had to take on Haskins in order to get the job, if that's true then that's his own fault.

I think Ron has got the team back to respectability. But that's as far as we're going w/ him.

Oh im in no way excusing Ron for anything, just pointing out that we have been non contenders forever.

[rocnrik]

We will not reach playoffs with this staff .. EB confuses Sam with Patrick .. Ron just stands there arms folded , Jack has a lot of talent at his disposal and yet still can’t get it done ..
Philly will win 13 games , Dallas 10 games , Giants 8 games , we will be lucky to win 7 games .. Snyder is gone and we need to let New Owners evaluate and hopefully we get better ..
I’m interested in seeing if Howell is the answer at QB .. That is the only reason I’m interested in this season .. I’m more disappointed in EB play calling than Sam( he is more or less a rookie ) what is EB’s excuse ??
We get absolutely Destroyed next week
Philly 52 us 13 .. Sam won’t finish and Brissett won’t do any better because we have no coaching ..

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by rocnrik

We will not reach playoffs with this staff .. EB confuses Sam with Patrick .. Ron just stands there arms folded , Jack has a lot of talent at his disposal and yet still can’t get it done ..
Philly will win 13 games , Dallas 10 games , Giants 8 games , we will be lucky to win 7 games .. Snyder is gone and we need to let New Owners evaluate and hopefully we get better ..
I’m interested in seeing if Howell is the answer at QB .. That is the only reason I’m interested in this season .. I’m more disappointed in EB play calling than Sam( he is more or less a rookie ) what is EB’s excuse ??
We get absolutely Destroyed next week
Philly 52 us 13 .. Sam won’t finish and Brissett won’t do any better because we have no coaching ..

Week 1 is weird for every team. Offense played real well week 2. Week 3 we were just beat by a better team.
I am going to hold off on calling EB a failure. I totally agree about this season being a developmental stage for Sam. But I think if we sure up the oline EB and Sam could be a good tandem.

[Meks]

And no o-line

[rocnrik]

Originally Posted by Meks

And no o-line

Yep …. Ron didn’t think that was a priority…

[Chief X_Phackter]

There's four new starters on the O-line (if you include Cosmi). They made the O-line a priority, and they are better than last year's unit. If you had someone calling plays that would take into account the fact that you have a rookie QB...if you had a more seasoned QB who could get rid of the ball on time and get into the right plays/protections based on what the opposing defense is doing, it wouldn't look as bad as it has.

It's still early, but if they get stomped by Philly because the new OC can't adjust to his personnel and the opposing D, then I don't want to hear anymore about him replacing Ron.

[Meks]

Agree to disagree. This o line unit is just as bad or worse through 3 games. I hope they improve or something changes scheme wise to assist them. They are hot trash.

2 seconds to the qb majority of the game Sunday. No qb, I don't care how seasoned, is going to perform fantastic under those conditions. And EB sucked Sunday. Too stubborn and ego driven to adjust in game. Hope he takes a long look in the mirror and swallows whatever pride he's clinging to.

And just because they have 4 new bodies, below average bodies, doesn't say "priority" at all lol.

Rolling with new ppl doesn't mean they took the time or gave it the attention needed. Priority would be a shot at improvement, not regression until prove otherwise... to me anyway.

[That Guy]

OL has been a slow-moving train wreck since last year. Anyone who thought we addressed it in any real way before the season was fooling themselves.

the bad news is there's no way to fix the lack of talent on the OL. adjustments can be made though (more runs, quicker QB decisions, better chips by backs and ends, etc.)

That said, the sky isn't falling. This week's team is not significantly different than the one that won the first 2 games. Rookie QB + bad OL means we're going to take losses. Allen had a 4 int game 2 weeks ago; sometimes things just don't work out.

The improvement at QB, WR, and DB should leave us with a better team this year. Hopefully this offseason they finally get another LB and 3+ OL. I don't like that Howell is heading towards 90+ sacks at this rate, that has given other QBs the yips before.

[Chief X_Phackter]

I get it. It hasn't looked good for the most part. Last year's O-line seems better I guess, because you had Heinicke running around with his hair on fire most of the game. Either way, I do think bringing in four new starters was taking a shot at improvement. This unit has played together a total of three games with a new QB and a new offense/OC. Defenses are doing what they should do and coming after Howell because he's still learning. It all needs to get better, and with time I think it will - if Sam survives his decisions.

I remember when Philly came in to Fedex in week 3 last year and had 9 sacks, then we turned around and took their undefeated season from them a few weeks later

We're 2-1 for goodness sakes. I understand the hope for next year and beyond, but can't we have a little for the current year too?

[AnonEmouse]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

I get it. It hasn't looked good for the most part. Last year's O-line seems better I guess, because you had Heinicke running around with his hair on fire most of the game. Either way, I do think bringing in four new starters was taking a shot at improvement. This unit has played together a total of three games with a new QB and a new offense/OC. Defenses are doing what they should do and coming after Howell because he's still learning. It all needs to get better, and with time I think it will - if Sam survives his decisions.

I remember when Philly came in to Fedex in week 3 last year and had 9 sacks, then we turned around and took their undefeated season from them a few weeks later

We're 2-1 for goodness sakes. I understand the hope for next year and beyond, but can't we have a little for the current year too?

I'm of the same mind. I actually like what I see from SH, even the Bills game. He was trying to conjure something up, maybe trying too hard, and for me said all the right things afterwards. He just has to follow up and show its not just talk.

Almost every O is still establishing an identity by week 3 or 4. I think EB is feeling out what he has, and I think he trusts SH to learn fast on the job. Question is, can he adjust his play calling on the fly better than he did this game. Screen and run game should have been a focus to mitigate the Bills DL and particularly their LBs, but it felt like EB thought we could pass our way out of trouble. At 13-0 down the sky wasn't falling, so slow the game down and keep the Bills O off the field; try to grind it out.

D didn't help, though turnovers didn't make their job easier. I was worried they would expose our LBs and that largely came to pass. For me, Hudson was made for games like this (covering TEs and edge blitz pressure) and I have to wonder why he's not being utilised. Starters aren't getting it done...

We're middle of the pack at this stage. How we fare against the Eagles and Cowboys will determine our season, and for me its far from a lost cause yet. We have to see the Giants as 2 winnable games, so 4-2 in the division would be a good result. Right now though I'd say 2 losses to the Eagles would be no surprise. I can see us being 5-2 by the second Eagles game, and 7-4 (maybe 8-3) by the 1st Cowboys game. That would put pressure on Dallas and give us a good chance if at least 1 win against them.

This season is far from over.