Jay Gruden hired as head coach of the Redskins

[MTK]

Originally Posted by jamf

I would like to take the wait and see approach with this team but I am getting increasingly more concerned that no one has any idea of what they are doing at Redskins park.
The hires scream good ole boy network to me.

I get the feeling Gruden was Bruces guy from day one and all the other interviews were a formality. Jay didn't have the stones to fire Haslett because Haslett hired him in the arena league and the Wes Wilson hire kills me, another coaches son. basically a guy who got a job in the NFL when his dad was HC of Dallas and lets not forget, he comes from dallas!

This looks like the "good ole boy network" at it's finest.

Allen has a history with Jon G at Oakland and Tampa, it's clear he is trying to recapture that with the latest Gruden. Unfortunately it feels like he hired a bunch of drinking buddies and said "hey let's see if we can go win some games".

Bruce Allen hired his friends and I feel his friends aren't the best coaching options available. I am trying so hard to be optimistic but I fearful we are doomed for another 4 years of heart ache.

I just can't trust a guy with Vinny Cerrato eyes.

This stuff happens everywhere

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Besides, Gruden was a hot candidate, he was going to get a HC job somewhere if he didn't land here.

[NYCskinfan82]

Question, since these coaches are coming back ILB & WR's does that mean they never got along with MS or this is normal leave a team and then come back.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by NYCskinfan82

Question, since these coaches are coming back ILB & WR's does that mean they never got along with MS or this is normal leave a team and then come back.

Here's what happened:

Ike Hilliard: "I'm the best coach in the game. When you try me with a sorry coach like Kyle, that's the result you going to get."

Erin Andrews: "That was awesome."

Kyle Shanahan: "Waaaah! Daddy, he hurt my feelings!"

Mike Shanahan: "Ike, you are in timeout. Go to Buffalo and don't come back for a year."

[NYCskinfan82]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Here's what happened:

Ike Hilliard: "I'm the best coach in the game. When you try me with a sorry coach like Kyle, that's the result you going to get."

Erin Andrews: "That was awesome."

Kyle Shanahan: "Waaaah! Daddy, he hurt my feelings!"

Mike Shanahan: "Ike, you are in timeout. Go to Buffalo and don't come back for a year."

Thanks for the clarification.

[NC_Skins]

Having Haslett on this staff as DC kills this hire for me. I think it's doomed from the get go. Even so, we still should win more games than we did last year. Hard to tell. Why can't the Redskins ever get it right? It's sad because I really like Jay Gruden and many of the other changes.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Most 1st time coaches don't get more than 3 guaranteed years

Right but why is that meaningful? With Snyder's local revenue streams I'm sure he sees the Gruden deal as budget friendly. Even if the commitment goes out longer, it's still way less than he was paying Shanahan on an annual basis.

I guess I look at it this way. Going out an extra two years at a salary basically at the league median can only be described as a mediocre commitment. If Snyder cans Gruden after year 3, he'd eat barely more than he has to pay Shanahan for this single season.

It's about the total $ commitment much more than it is the length.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Having Haslett on this staff as DC kills this hire for me. I think it's doomed from the get go. Even so, we still should win more games than we did last year. Hard to tell. Why can't the Redskins ever get it right? It's sad because I really like Jay Gruden and many of the other changes.

I really understand the dislike for Haslett, and the angst/frustration at keeping him, but I think it's really important to understand that the group that is together has worked well together in the past. I think that is an important part of setting up a 1st time HC to win, not fail. I think it would be different if we had hired Bevel or Whisenhunt and kept Haslett, but we didn't. Gruden has worked and won with Haslett before. Bottomline, I just think it's too early to say they didn't get it right, or that they did.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

Ok, Robert Quinn was the wrong comparison.
The problem with you Schneed is you can't make a comment to another member without being disrespectful. At the end of the day Orakpo is not Elite. He does not deserve a Elite paying contract. The team was 3-13 and his impact didn't win us any more games than last year, regardless of how much you try to pacify him. It shouldn't matter who is around him, his job is to produce. IMO he doesn't have secondary rush moves than a bull rush. I think he can grow with the new coaching staff. But, he needs to do a mutually beneficial contract.

Sorry if I offended, but we get our fair share of drivel on this board (still much less than other boards). You largely know your stuff but whenever someone puts out an inaccuracy the board should correct it, or we can go the way of ExtremeSkins pretty quick.

I agree Orakpo is not in the very top echelon. But is $10M a year an elite salary in 2014? Clay Matthews got that much but that was several years ago. Orakpo's a half step below Clay, but inflation's a bitch. Combine that fact with our dire need at that position (we'd be F'd without Orakpo in our front 7), and I think you have to pony up the $10 or $11M and feel fine about it.

That said I hope he takes $8 or $9M.

Edit: One more thing. Laying the 3-13 record at Orakpo's feet is pretty crazy. Pass rushers and the secondary go hand in hand, they make each other look better. Without a secondary the QB gets the ball out too fast for a pass rusher to make a huge impact. And without a pass rusher a good secondary can't cover any WR for 5 seconds. He had 10 sacks despite QBs being able to shred the secondary pretty consistently. The 3-13 record is not on him at all, it's a team sport and you need everyone pulling their weight. A weak link in the chain means the whole thing breaks. But that doesn't mean you point the finger at the one link that held up.

[MTK]

Redskins' Orakpo ranked 3rd-best available free agent | Comcast SportsNet Washington

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by NYCskinfan82

Question, since these coaches are coming back ILB & WR's does that mean they never got along with MS or this is normal leave a team and then come back.

It could mean BA thought they had a good thing going until Shanny F'd it up. More likely though it's simply coincidental, because Jay had Hilliard in Tampa, and the familiarity is there.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Having Haslett on this staff as DC kills this hire for me. I think it's doomed from the get go. Even so, we still should win more games than we did last year. Hard to tell. Why can't the Redskins ever get it right? It's sad because I really like Jay Gruden and many of the other changes.

I imagine and hope the leash will be a short one with Has. If the defense starts poor he should be fired midseason. And I dont get not letting the Jets interview him.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Redskins' Orakpo ranked 3rd-best available free agent | Comcast SportsNet Washington

2 thoughts:

1) I don't think the Redskins get any home town discounts this year. Last 2 years with the salary cap penalty, players seemed to give them a bit of a pass. This year everyone knows the Skins have cap room, and if they go too cheap they will lose out.

2) It amazes me, how fickle fans are. Without going back in time, we still hear about Ryan Clark and others who the Skins let go and went after a named guy instead of focusing on homegrown talent. Now we have Orakpo, a homegrown, if not elite, certainly top quality, player in our defense, and there is a segment of fans that want to get rid of him.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I imagine and hope the leash will be a short one with Has. If the defense starts poor he should be fired midseason. And I dont get not letting the Jets interview him.

I don't think that would be prudent. He's going to be given a serious talent influx and it will take time for him to bring it together. There will be a little time needed for the unit to jell and learn to communicate, especially in the secondary where there will be major turnover.

That said, yeah there's no way we should start as poor as we did this year. If he gets that talent and doesn't at least put up a middling performance in the beginning then something is wrong. But I don't think that will happen, he's a solid defensive mind.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

2) It amazes me, how fickle fans are. Without going back in time, we still hear about Ryan Clark and others who the Skins let go and went after a named guy instead of focusing on homegrown talent. Now we have Orakpo, a homegrown, if not elite, certainly top quality, player in our defense, and there is a segment of fans that want to get rid of him.

That segment is the same one that seems to think impact pass rushers do grow on trees.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

That segment is the same one that seems to think impact pass rushers do grow on trees.

Or that anything you do matters if you don't have a strong pass rush.

You can go into a season with Rob Jackson, Brandon Jenkins, and Darryl Tapp splitting time at OLB...but you've punted on the year.