Trouble in Redskins Park?

[Bangee7]

I agree with Schneed....go back to Gruden's comments at the end of the year ....

"we've had two first rounds picks since I've been here...one of them hasn't played a down and the other is a Guard"

Nope, no problem there!

I believe Bruce is the tie breaker...Gruden got extended & McLoughan is gone.
The Tie has been broken.

"Saint Scot" will be fine & I'm sure he was well paid for his services.

Time to move on people.

[WillH]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

I come from an HR background. My experience in organizational structure says that what Schneed has said is true. I am familiar with organizational structure, and flowcharts, etc..

It seems to me that Scott M overstepped his role by getting directly involved with the players. I have a feeling that it was not a one time incident, but rather several things that Scott did on his own, that i think Allen / Gruden were not aware / ok with.

In terms of Organizational flow - If Scott M reported to Allen, then nothing that he does in his day to day operations should be done without Allen either knowing about it or being okay with it. Anything outside that line of what Bruce / Jay are ok with him doing is grounds for reprimanding, and if that kind of thing continues, it is grounds for termination.

I don't disagree that Gruden being the one to dislike him stepping out of bounds is one logical conclusion, and let's say, based on this article, the only logical conclusion. Without knowing the source of this information, do you really believe it true when Schneed calls someone a moron for reserving judgment?

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by WillH

I don't disagree that Gruden being the one to dislike him stepping out of bounds is one logical conclusion, and let's say, based on this article, the only logical conclusion. Without knowing the source of this information, do you really believe it true when Schneed calls someone a moron for reserving judgment?

For someone to reserve judgment, I would say you either don't know how leadership works, or you don't understand Jay Gruden's personality type.

Either your thinking is limited or your knowledge of your team/coach is limited.

[WillH]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

For someone to reserve judgment, I would say you either don't know how leadership works, or you don't understand Jay Gruden's personality type.

Either your thinking is limited or your knowledge of your team/coach is limited.

I don't claim to have some close understanding of our coaches personality types. That is impressive that you do, may I ask how?

I find reserving judgement until I know the full story from all sides is a vital part of leadership. That you don't is more reason to not give credence to your perspective honestly.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Bangee7

I agree with Schneed....go back to Gruden's comments at the end of the year ....

"we've had two first rounds picks since I've been here...one of them hasn't played a down and the other is a Guard"

Nope, no problem there!

I believe Bruce is the tie breaker...Gruden got extended & McLoughan is gone.
The Tie has been broken.

"Saint Scot" will be fine & I'm sure he was well paid for his services.

Time to move on people.

Exactly. And I saw that press conference as it was streamed by the team. He didn't just say those words, he said it with a slight hand flip, shrug, and eye roll. It was painfully obvious that he has a beef with the way McC did his job.

Using that comment, can you draw the definitive conclusion that Gruden was pissed about McC speaking to a player about on field conduct? Not on that comment alone, but it's yet another sign of many that Gruden has a strong vision, has a clear understanding of roles, and has a strong understanding of what it takes to win. He's not patient - he doesn't want to hear that a guard picked high is the way to win in the NFL.

When you put it all together, if you know anything about reading people and their personality types, it's easy to see that if you get in Jay Gruden's kitchen he's going to chase you out like a junkyard dog.

[WillH]

Originally Posted by Bangee7

I agree with Schneed....go back to Gruden's comments at the end of the year ....

"we've had two first rounds picks since I've been here...one of them hasn't played a down and the other is a Guard"

Nope, no problem there!

I believe Bruce is the tie breaker...Gruden got extended & McLoughan is gone.
The Tie has been broken.

"Saint Scot" will be fine & I'm sure he was well paid for his services.

Time to move on people.

I forgot about that. I feel like he's said something else earlier in the season that raised eyebrows.

And Cousins did yell in Scots face.

He really may have just not been a good fit.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by WillH

I don't claim to have some close understanding of our coaches personality types. That is impressive that you do, may I ask how?

I find reserving judgement until I know the full story from all sides is a vital part of leadership. That you don't is more reason to not give credence to your perspective honestly.

When you hire somebody and you've determined that the resume is sufficient that you think it's worth your time to interview an applicant, do you gain access to the whole story on that person, or do you get an hour to size them up and a few reference phone calls?

You have to read them, assess personality, disposition, fit, and make a call. I'm exceptionally talented at it.

Dismiss it if you want but I've got a read on Gruden. Very confident in my assessment.

[WillH]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Exactly. And I saw that press conference as it was streamed by the team. He didn't just say those words, he said it with a slight hand flip, shrug, and eye roll. It was painfully obvious that he has a beef with the way McC did his job.

Using that comment, can you draw the definitive conclusion that Gruden was pissed about McC speaking to a player about on field conduct? Not on that comment alone, but it's yet another sign of many that Gruden has a strong vision, has a clear understanding of roles, and has a strong understanding of what it takes to win. He's not patient - he doesn't want to hear that a guard picked highbis the way to win in the NFL.

When you put it all together, if you know anything about reading people and their personality types, it's easy to see that if you get in Jay Gruden's kitchen he's going to chase you out like a junkyard dog.

This is the last I'll say, but this is really what I am reacting too. Bangers input was informative and intriguing. He didn't act like a dick and talk down to people.
This post of yours was going well and then you throw in "if you know anything about..." I mean is that really necessary? Be helpful and give valuable arguments that contribute to the collective understanding. Your opinion can be valid without you being critical and insulting or patting yourself on the back.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by WillH

This is the last I'll say, but this is really what I am reacting too. Bangers input was informative and intriguing. He didn't act like a dick and talk down to people.
This post of yours was going well and then you throw in "if you know anything about..." I mean is that really necessary? Be helpful and give valuable arguments that contribute to the collective understanding. Your opinion can be valid without you being critical and insulting or patting yourself on the back.

My opinion is always valid. Sorry you're not a fan of my delivery. Your thinking is strong and you should post more.

[WillH]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

My opinion is always valid. Sorry you're not a fan of my delivery. Your thinking is strong and you should post more.

Fair enough. Thanks!

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by SirLK26

Okay, lets assume you're right and Jay didn't like it. Follow that further back, why was Scot brought here in the first place when the people doing the hiring surely knew the GM and head coach would have such fundamental differences on how a team should be run?

The only answer that I can possibly give is that in any hiring process, there are positive and negative attributes / traits to every candidate interviewed.

My first guess would be that there was obviously more "good attributes" about Scot (Draft strategy, player evaluation, etc...), than there was bad (His seattle "see something-do something" mentality". And perhaps they thought that Scot would operate within the bounds of his authority.

The person you hire has to fit the job description / duties. You can't make the job fit the person. I think in the end, to Bruce Allen and company, Scot did not fit what they wanted. And nobody ever said that Bruce Allen was particularly good at his job. What he is good at is being a Dan Snyder yes man, which is something that I feel Dan has always needed even going back to the Vinny Days. Every owner in any business wants someone like that to a certain degree.

[SCRedskinsFan]

Originally Posted by Bangee7

I agree with Schneed....go back to Gruden's comments at the end of the year ....

"we've had two first rounds picks since I've been here...one of them hasn't played a down and the other is a Guard"

Nope, no problem there!

I believe Bruce is the tie breaker...Gruden got extended & McLoughan is gone.
The Tie has been broken.

"Saint Scot" will be fine & I'm sure he was well paid for his services.

Time to move on people.

This.

What seemed like a throw away line at the end of the season is the only real evidence of a problem I have seen. And, in spite of some of the acrimony, this has been a fun and interesting off season thread to follow. I do come out of all this believing that Scot was not the saint and savior some might have thought he was, while Gruden may well be a better and certainly stronger coach than many believed he would be. Funny how that works.

But George Allen's favorite son is still the dope we thought he was. But who knows, he may well be a needed buffer from Dan Snyder. And that's important as well. Hope we hire the right man to be our next quasi GM.

[WillH]

Originally Posted by Bangee7

I agree with Schneed....go back to Gruden's comments at the end of the year ....

"we've had two first rounds picks since I've been here...one of them hasn't played a down and the other is a Guard"

Nope, no problem there!

I believe Bruce is the tie breaker...Gruden got extended & McLoughan is gone.
The Tie has been broken.

"Saint Scot" will be fine & I'm sure he was well paid for his services.

Time to move on people.

From the same press conference FWIW:


"I feel fine. I feel good about it. I think we make Redskin decisions around here of what's best for this football team. I don't think it's Scot, I don't think it's Bruce [Allen], I don't think it's just me. I think together we make decisions and I feel really good about that. I think he listens to my input and I listen to his. Ultimately, who has the final say really doesn't matter because we're all on the same page for the most part. Any time you have a lot of people making decisions, it's very important to be on the same page and be together. When the decisions are made, it doesn't matter who makes them - we're all in and have got to do the best we can with them."

[mredskins]

I still say and I said it at the time as well: When KC went up to McC and ruffled his hair after the GB game there was something more to that then just casual banter.

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by mredskins

I still say and I said it at the time as well: When KC went up to McC and ruffled his hair after the GB game there was something more to that then just casual banter.

You make an interesting point. There is never any shortage of articles writing about our ineptitude or how bad things are. Lots of articles said specifically that Scott M was the one who wanted to sign Cousins, while Snyder and Allen was staunchly against it.

Then there was that report last week that said one of the final straws was McCloughan wanting to trade Cousins.

WHAT IF it was all BS and Allen wanted to sign Cousins since last summer but they just couldn't get the numbers right? Then sometime after Cousins catches wind of Scott M wanting to trade him, so he angrily goes up to Scott M after the Green Bay game and we have the whole "how you like me now" moment. My wife also said while watching the game that Cousins was obviously pissed and it definitely wasn't playful banter...