Fresh Start Political Thread

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by punch it in

This. You can lead a horse to water.

The main problem I have with Biden is him blaming Trump publicly. That is exactly the kind of shit I hate about Trump. just take responsibility whether Trump did things that made it worse or not.

As for our entire history there and not just the last week…80 billion dollars and twenty years worth of aid and training and for what? A thirty minute fight ? We were never over there to liberate the people froM an oppressive regime anyway. We were there for oil, poppy, minerals. Funny how whenever we are liberating people they happen to live on a mountain of precious commodity.

I find myself wondering why they did not get all the people out first and than the military last?
Obviously they had their reasons. They did greatly underestimate the Taliban and greatly overestimate the security forces.
This article is from a week ago and they were worried Kabul would be overrun in 6 months maybe. Some said 90 days. But this was lightning.

Imagine not understanding policy, strategy and execution….brushing it aside when things outside the scope

Jfc…leadership…

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Imagine not understanding policy, strategy and execution….brushing it aside when things outside the scope

Jfc…leadership…

Why can’t Biden be more like Trump and you. Stern yet compassionate. Wise but willing to listen to others. Thank God this country has you both to lead us through this dark time. WE WILL MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN…….AGAIN!

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

Trump wanted a withdrawl.

Biden wanted a withdrawl.

Americans overwhelmingly wanted a withdrawl.

We withdrew.

People trying to criticize Biden seem to have an agenda. Whats new.

Here you go:

The @WSJ editors accurately, succinctly damn @POTUS @JoeBiden. When Taliban violated the Doha agreement —premised on a negotiated power sharing— the U.S. was free to keep Bagram, it’s 2500 troops and NATO’s 5000, to use air power. He could have saved thousands. He chose not to.

To say trump or trump plan is simply laughable.

He fucking chose NOT to enforce the negotiated agreement. Also the Pelosi receipts from disagreeing with trump plan and then endorsing Biden plan the withdrawal from Afghanistan are widely available online.

There is the policy difference and the execution

Imagine being so intellectually dishonest to think this is somehow trump’s doing.

Own it sunnyside….own the worst foreign policy debacle in our lifetime.

These are the same retards who believe Obama Middle East policy was a success.

This is solely A Biden failure…disgraceful


I want you to take this situation and what you would say 2 years ago.

[sdskinsfan2001]

In hindsight, we probably should have withdrawn after 9/11/2021, especially how it's going right now. This is shared blame between Trump and Biden. Never understood setting dates or redlines when dealing with terrorists.

The execution of this has been poor. The people in charge of the military and/or of our government were clearly wrong about the capabilities and probably more importantly, the willingness, of the Afghan army to fight. The Afghani people should be absolutely embarrassed of their army.

We should have removed every one from the embassy and wherever else we had people, prior to withdrawing the troops. Same with destroying all paperwork and whatever else couldn't be left behind. And we also should have transported some of the most dangerous prisoners to other prisons.

All this being said, I still approve of the withdrawal. Mistakes were made. But this was never going to be a smooth process.

It really is shocking how fast the country folded to the taliban. That country is just a broken mess. Always has been and probably always will be. If they don't want the taliban they will have to fight them. They will never be eliminated until their people kill them all and throw them out.

[sdskinsfan2001]

We're going to need a separate masks thread here:

Masks: Do They Work or Not? Ask Your HVAC Guy, Grocery Clerk, or Gas Station Attendant

[nonniey]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

We're going to need a separate masks thread here:

Masks: Do They Work or Not? Ask Your HVAC Guy, Grocery Clerk, or Gas Station Attendant

No need it was just a weak attempt to pin an anti-masker label on me and shift the subject because someone didn't like me pointing out that Biden was told what would happen in Afghanistan.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by nonniey

No need it was just a weak attempt to pin an anti-masker label on me and shift the subject because someone didn't like me pointing out that Biden was told what would happen in Afghanistan.

LOL OK. Im sure in your world that’s exactly how it went down. Nonniey is right again! Wish you weren’t so quiet all these years. We all could have learned so much from you.

[punch it in]

Just heard the Taliban has alot of support in the rural areas, but not so much in the urban areas. Where have I heard that before? Lol.

[sdskinsfan2001]

It's pretty boring just being in agreement with (pretty much) everyone. I change my mind. I want to declare war on all of the middle east.

[sdskinsfan2001]

[MTK]

The internet lately

[nonniey]

Originally Posted by MTK

The internet lately

Actually I am an somewhat of an expert on the later. I'd be willing to bet more than anyone else that posts on this board. Let's just say it is not a hobby.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by nonniey

Actually I am an somewhat of an expert on the later. I'd be willing to bet more than anyone else that posts on this board. Let's just say it is not a hobby.

Don't be a tease, we expect full frontal 'round these parts.

[nonniey]

Originally Posted by mooby

Don't be a tease, we expect full frontal 'round these parts.

I'm a retired MI Officer (31 years), but am still in the intelligence community as a civilian.

[mooby]

Oh I was just teasing, you don't actually have to say lol. I practice opsec online too lol, if anything hackers have taught me it's that nothing's private online.