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I should elaborate:
When COVID started here in the states, our resident medical experts came out with all sorts of rules, guidance, etc. One of those being "You don't have to wear a mask if you aren't sick". We could have an entire thread / discussion about how much and how often Doctors are wrong. But that doesn't / shouldn't undermine the good work that they do for us. Corona Virus is constantly changing, and because of that, the guidelines/restrictions/lockdowns in 2021 will look very different from how they did this year. Things are already changing as most states now have entered, or are entering Phase 3 and their respective final phases of the recovery plans. I am not saying Doctors are quacks, just wan't to clarify that.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ExrrJIcOZ90 If Dr. Erickson and Massihi are wrong and can be proven wrong. Why did Google censor them? Is only the opinions of those they agree with valid? If these leftwing nazis were truly confident in their opinions, they would debate their opponents and not use corporations to silence those people. Dissent is no longer allowed. You believe what you want. But don't tell me I'm being ridiculous because I don't buy into any and everything I hear from the communist MSM. |
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Dr Erickson and Massihi run a walk in urgent care clinic in CA. They arent epidemologists, they are walk-in clinic doctors. They are Trump supporters, anti-mask people. People like HTTR who are hungry for any confirmaiton of their Q Anon beliefs will take what these Q Anon walk-in clinic doctors say as gospel ... and ignore the 99.9999% of true experts who disagree with them. ----------------------- But public health experts were quick to point out the major flaws in the doctors’ methodology – namely that only a tiny percentage of Californians have actually been tested, a group that is more likely to test positive and is not representative of the larger population. 'This pandemic has been so severely politicized in this country that evidence, no matter how poor, gets amplified enormously if it benefits one side or another.' Dr. Carl Bergstrom, University of Washington But public health experts were quick to debunk the doctors’ findings as misguided and riddled with statistical errors — and an example of the kind of misleading information they are forced to waste precious time disputing. The doctors should never have assumed that the patients they tested — who came for walk-in COVID-19 tests or who sought urgent care for symptoms they experienced in the middle of a pandemic — are representative of the general population, said Dr. Carl Bergstrom, a University of Washington biologist who specializes in infectious disease modeling. He likened their extrapolations to “estimating the average height of Americans from the players on an NBA court.” And most credible studies of COVID-19 death rates are far higher than the ones the doctors presented. “They’ve used methods that are ludicrous to get results that are completely implausible,” Bergstrom said. Still, the early media coverage of the doctors’ announcement went viral (digitally, that is) over the weekend. The press conference video garnered more than 5 million views before YouTube removed it on Monday for violating community guidelines. In a rare statement late Monday, the American College of Emergency Physicians and the American Academy of Emergency Medicine declared they “emphatically condemn the recent opinions released by Dr. Daniel Erickson and Dr. Artin Messihi. These reckless and untested musings do not speak for medical societies and are inconsistent with current science and epidemiology regarding COVID-19. As owners of local urgent care clinics, it appears these two individuals are releasing biased, non-peer reviewed data to advance their personal financial interests without regard for the public’s health.” https://www.kqed.org/news/11814749/b...-like-wildfire -------------------- If you dont agree with these walk-in clinic doctors and reject what all the real experts are saying .... youre a left wing nazi. Gesus Krist ... these conspiracy theory types of people. lol a fucking walk in clinic doctor ... . lol thats funny as hell.
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And does that debunk their opinions about the mortality rates of COVID-19? If that fact alone discredits them please explain how? "They arent epidemologists, they are walk-in clinic doctors. " So does that mean their raw data was falsified just because they're not epidemiologists? Are you saying they are incapable of interpreting the data and coming up with a conclusion just because they're not "epidemiologists?" "They are Trump supporters, anti-mask people. " Who cares if they're Trump supporters. That has nothing to do with their conclusion. I am a proud Trump supporter and I wear a mask. I was coming home from work last week and saw a pack of BLM protesters not wearing any mask. So maybe there is no correlation between wearing a mask and being a Trump supporter. "People like HTTR who are hungry for any confirmaiton of their Q Anon beliefs will take what these Q Anon walk-in clinic doctors say as gospel ... and ignore the 99.9999% of true experts who disagree with them. " Let us avoid personal attacks and stick to the issue. Covid-19 is a hoax. There is no real numbers on how many people are dying from it or other causes and I have proof. This is a CDC report. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...cNWZVckYq5BzdE The CDC has combined the total number of Pneumonia, Influenza, and COVID-19 deaths as Covid-19 deaths. Both confirmed and presumptive cases of Covid-19 are being counted as COVID-19 deaths based on CDC guidelines. That is why I am convinced that the death tolls are nowhere close to what has been reported on LEFTWING NAZI MEDIA. So how could your experts have a clue about the mortality rates is or isn't if they don't even know how many people are dying from Covid-19 or another respiratory virus? How do they know the mortality rate of Covid-19 if they have no idea about the number of people infected? Let me guess, I should shut up and listen to them, even though, they don't know to shit themselves. Please answers this question and don't skip over it. "In a rare statement late Monday, the American College of Emergency Physicians and the American Academy of Emergency Medicine declared they “emphatically condemn the recent opinions released by Dr. Daniel Erickson and Dr. Artin Messihi. These reckless and untested musings do not speak for medical societies and are inconsistent with current science and epidemiology regarding COVID-19. As owners of local urgent care clinics, it appears these two individuals are releasing biased, non-peer reviewed data to advance their personal financial interests without regard for the public’s health.”" So let me get this straight. Dr. Erickson and Messihi are wrong simply because these people say so? Why not prove them wrong with their own data? Oh, that's right, they don't have any reliable data! They didn't offer any substance at all. They arrogantly dismissed Dr. Erickson and Messihi with a rebuttal. Then they tried to insult their character because they have a different opinion. "If you dont agree with these walk-in clinic doctors and reject what all the real experts are saying .... youre a left wing nazi. " That is totally irrational. Do you claim if I believe some doctors who are reporting their own findings over "experts" who consider themselves an authority figure on this subject then I'm a left-wing Nazi? Those are some serious mental gymnastics you had to jump through to come to that conclusion. Nazis pushed propaganda and censored those who opposed their views just like the modern-day left is trying to do right now. All these major companies like Google, Twitter, Facebook are censoring conservatives and demonetizing them. Dr. Erickson isn't forcing anyone to accept his findings. He didn't demand that people who disagree with him get removed from Youtube. If you think about it, you and your party have way more in common with Nazis racist skinheads and KKK members. |
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CDC, which I think is on the conservative side of accounting, lists 120,333 COVID deaths as of today.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...ses-in-us.html The death rate (percent) can be played around with. Some models project the number of people they think are infected but asymptomatic and never tested (leads to lower death rate). Some models only consider number of reported cases vs deaths but everyone knows there are more people infected/asymptomatic who had/have it but arent included in the reported cases number.
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So if the CDC is saying infection rate is 10 times that has been tested, then the death rate for the folks ages 5-49, it’s same ball park as the flu. Sound bout right?
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We're trending in the wrong direction, at this rate it's hard to see sports returning
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The sports that are playing right now will be shutting back down again, and its hard to see them ever coming back until there is a vaccine that is out for every person in this country. States are already going to go back into lock downs, they've already said. I felt from the beginning that the total time it took for things to go back to "normal" would be between 2 and 5 years. As it stands right now, we are already witnessing permanent changes to things like schools, colleges, etc, wearing masks whenever inside public spaces, etc. Some governors have even made it a law now that you have to wear a mask even outdoors. I think it is clear at this point that America will never go back to "normal", even after the vaccines are out. This is the most afraid that i have been since it started. It's 30 - 40K cases a day now. Probably in a month or two from now, it could be 100 - 200K. Growth rate like that wouldn't take long before we could hit 1million new cases a day. We just need to hope and pray now, guys....
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