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[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

And please, no one say, "well Arizona was 10-6 and didn't make it!" That's a bunch of BS. We all know more times than not that we're going to see a lot 8-8, 7-9 teams make it, over 10-6 teams. 7 teams in each conference making the playoffs is a terrible idea.

The last 5 years don't seem to agree with you. Between 2009 and 2013 if 7 teams made the playoffs the 7th team's record would have broken down like this:
3 10-6 teams; '13Ari,'12Chi,'10NYG
4 9-7 teams; '09Hou, '09Atl, '10SD, '11Ten
3 8-8 teams; '12Pit, '13Pit, 'Chi

In 3 of the 5 years (2010,11,13) at least 1 division champ had a record worse than the 7th seed would have and in 2010 2 teams were better than the 7-9 NFCW champs Sea.
In no case would a sub .500 team have been the 7th seed.

Edit. I decided to go back to 2000 on NFL.com and without tallying it the results were inline with the numbers above. And all the way back to 2000 not one 7-9 or lower team would have been the 7th seed. Ever.

[CRedskinsRule]

As for Cuban's remarks, its hilarious to me that an NBA owner with 82 regular season games per team is going to lecture the NFL. Every team's fan still has only 16 games to watch and hope their team does some good. When the other games are on matters less but if they are scheduled right you will still tune in because you want to see how the competition is doing.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

The last 5 years don't seem to agree with you. Between 2009 and 2013 if 7 teams made the playoffs the 7th team's record would have broken down like this:
3 10-6 teams; '13Ari,'12Chi,'10NYG
4 9-7 teams; '09Hou, '09Atl, '10SD, '11Ten
3 8-8 teams; '12Pit, '13Pit, 'Chi

In 3 of the 5 years (2010,11,13) at least 1 division champ had a record worse than the 7th seed would have and in 2010 2 teams were better than the 7-9 NFCW champs Sea.
In no case would a sub .500 team have been the 7th seed.

Edit. I decided to go back to 2000 on NFL.com and without tallying it the results were inline with the numbers above. And all the way back to 2000 not one 7-9 or lower team would have been the 7th seed. Ever.

Did anyone honestly want to see any of those teams in the playoffs? Chicago's defense was worse than ours. Pittsburgh was the definition of average. Neither deserved to be in the playoffs. The owners just need to leave the damn game alone. It's already watered down as it is.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Did anyone honestly want to see any of those teams in the playoffs? Chicago's defense was worse than ours. Pittsburgh was the definition of average. Neither deserved to be in the playoffs. The owners just need to leave the damn game alone. It's already watered down as it is.

Since it is clear that the 7th seed would historically be on par with or better than at least the 4th division champ the added competition would be excellent. I am confident that the fans of that 10-6 cardinals wanted to see their team in the playoffs. And I certainly remember when the 11-5 Patriots missed the playoffs. Pretty certain a game pitting them against the 2nd seed that year would have been extremely entertaining..

Point is the 7th team isn't always, or even mostly, a floundering team. Its often a very good team in a very competitive division/conference.

[MTK]

Plus we've seen some teams that finish 8-8 or 9-7 do some serious damage in the playoffs.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

The last 5 years don't seem to agree with you. Between 2009 and 2013 if 7 teams made the playoffs the 7th team's record would have broken down like this:
3 10-6 teams; '13Ari,'12Chi,'10NYG
4 9-7 teams; '09Hou, '09Atl, '10SD, '11Ten
3 8-8 teams; '12Pit, '13Pit, 'Chi

In 3 of the 5 years (2010,11,13) at least 1 division champ had a record worse than the 7th seed would have and in 2010 2 teams were better than the 7-9 NFCW champs Sea.
In no case would a sub .500 team have been the 7th seed.

Edit. I decided to go back to 2000 on NFL.com and without tallying it the results were inline with the numbers above. And all the way back to 2000 not one 7-9 or lower team would have been the 7th seed. Ever.

Good breakdown. Surely the NFL has crunched all the numbers as well and know exactly what they're getting by adding another playoff team.

[SmootSmack]

Man, heartbreaking

Meeting Jason… « Jill Kelly

[CRedskinsRule]

Is that Snyder listening to Idzik?

daniel kaplan ‏@dkaplanSBJ 7m
NY football press crowding around Jets GM Idzik in the hallways at the NFL owners meeting

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Is that Snyder listening to Idzik?

daniel kaplan ‏@dkaplanSBJ 7m
NY football press crowding around Jets GM Idzik in the hallways at the NFL owners meeting

With the glasses? Looks like Bob Glauber (hate him) to me

[SmootSmack]

Bills Owner Ralph Wilson has died

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Bills Owner Ralph Wilson has died

damn, alot of bad news for Bills fans today.

And why do you hate Tom Crean's(hate him) doppleganger?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

damn, alot of bad news for Bills fans today.

And why do you hate Tom Crean's(hate him) doppleganger?

I don't know. He just annoys me the few times I've met him

[Alvin Walton]

Wow, the no No Fun League is rearing its head again.
No more dunking.
If you dunk the football over the crossbar it will now be a penalty.

[SirLK26]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

Wow, the no No Fun League is rearing its head again.
No more dunking.
If you dunk the football over the crossbar it will now be a penalty.

Why does the NFL even care about this? Aren't there more important things on their agenda than thinking about a celebration that hurts anything probably once a season? Few fans will support it, and it'll impact the overall product in a very minute way. Seems like a waste of time. Here's the link:

NFL to flag goalpost dunk celebrations | Comcast SportsNet Washington


While on CSN Washington, I came across this article:

Harbaugh on Jay Gruden: He's an excellent coach | Comcast SportsNet Washington

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Since it is clear that the 7th seed would historically be on par with or better than at least the 4th division champ the added competition would be excellent. I am confident that the fans of that 10-6 cardinals wanted to see their team in the playoffs. And I certainly remember when the 11-5 Patriots missed the playoffs. Pretty certain a game pitting them against the 2nd seed that year would have been extremely entertaining..

Point is the 7th team isn't always, or even mostly, a floundering team. Its often a very good team in a very competitive division/conference.

Some years you're going to have a 10-6 not make it, and the rare occasion an 11-5 team not make it. It's not a perfect system. But more times than not, we're going to see a team like last years Steelers get in. No desire to watch that. Just waters it down too much for me.