Skins versus Giants

scowan · 10-26-2005, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by coggs

For all the yards the Giants have given up, only one team has put up 30+ and that was when LaDanian Tomlinson (sorry, I refuse to call him LT) had a huge day. I wouldnt count on the skins scoring 31 on Sunday.

coggs, I am with you, I don't know what the over/under is on this game, but I think I would take the under. I see a low scoring game, because both teams will play it close to the vest. Refer to the last Cowboys/Giants game a few week back. Both team just bearly scored in the teens. When teams know each other pretty well, like in this case, it seems to be low scoring.

TheMalcolmConnection · 10-26-2005, 10:28 AM

Looking at it purely objectively, both teams have weapons on offense.

Moss, Portis, Cooley, Patten, Brunell = Toomer, Barber, Shockey, Burress, Manning

I'd give a slight edge to our receivers and QB. Our defense IS far superior to the Giants defense. Lately is has been open to the big running play, but I don't think that our secondary will give up many big plays.

Both teams have elite running backs and both teams have great TEs. If the Redskins win, it will be because of the defense. Both teams will put up points, but if the Redskins take care of the ball, they win easily.

SkinsRock · 10-26-2005, 04:37 PM

One thing that no one has mentioned is that the Giants will have motivation in trying to win it in honor of the late Mara. That being said, they won't.
I agree with others in that the two offenses seem to even each other out in terms of talent, but the Skins' D is far superior to the Giants. As always, turnovers will be key. The media loves Ellie right now after his lucky win vs. Denver, but he will turn back into a typical "deer in the headlights" second year QB going against the confusing Redskins defense.

Time for the Redskins to assert themselves on the road against a good team, and earn the respect the national media is so reluctant to give them!

Redskins 28
Giants 17

Wanga Skins · 10-26-2005, 05:38 PM

I think the best stat about their defense was the 3rd conversion percentage they give up which is worst in the league (49.4%) were as we are one of the best in the league (2nd) in offensive 3rd down conversions (46.1%). What this means is we win the game that looks close on the scoreboard but dominated statistically by TOP, yards, and GOD WILLING the turnover battle.

Redskins 24
Ginats 13

5RINGS · 10-26-2005, 06:10 PM

I posted this after Dallas beat the Giants.

What we did was,

1.) Demarcus Ware eating Pettigouts lunch with outside speed rushes. And Greg Ellis eating up RT McKenzie at will.
(Do you guys have an edge pass rusher with deceptive size and speed? I mean besides the one you have but isn't allowed to play) Now you have arrington playing this is where you need him.

2.) Bring it on ELI!! When we dropped 8 back, he ate us up. When we went blitz and got pressure, the throws were either long, short, or picked off. He will pick you apart in prevent, he is good and he doesn't play like a 12 game starter. Plus He is more athletic than you would think. He ran down Anthony Henry and almost knocked the ball out of his hands after an int. He. Is. For. Real. I can't stress that enough.

3.) It's nice having the ability to change fronts (3/4 - 4/3) but the real luxury is having a guy like LaRoi Glover. The Giants strayed away from the run and that is when Glover will eat up double teams when he doesn't have to worry about getting sucked in and run behind. He had 2 sacks.

4.) We put our fastest DB on Shockey - Terrance Newman - and he shut Big Mouth Shockey down, untill the second half when we left our LB's and Safetys on him.

You cannot cover Shockey with an LB. He will eat you alive. Arrington cannot cover him, this would be a disaster for you. Put a DB on him and put Spring on Plex, and use your nickel cb on Toomer.

Other than that, get Red zone points.

The Giants will let you win the time of possesion battle, but hope to burn you with turnovers. Brunell will be harder to get at in the pocket than Bledsoe. But Strahan WILL get inside the pocket.

TheMalcolmConnection · 10-26-2005, 06:20 PM

Just a side note on Strahan (all good points by the way), Strahan has NEVER recorded a sack against Jon Jansen.

RedskinRat · 10-26-2005, 06:20 PM

We can control the clock and score points, Giants struggled last week and will continue to do so. I expect to see them down from the Mara loss, not up.

If the Giants score it'll be late in the game again, we have to make sure we don't let them back in.

D wins this one, balanced, time consuming Offense scores 28.

TheMalcolmConnection · 10-26-2005, 06:20 PM

Skins 24, OBGYants 14

5RINGS · 10-26-2005, 06:30 PM

please please don't let Shockey beat you!! he is the only player I have ever hated who came from The U.

TheMalcolmConnection · 10-26-2005, 06:46 PM

I know man. I HATE Shockey.

expatriated_in_PHX · 10-26-2005, 08:02 PM

Skins 42 Gnats 24

I expect the Skins to not turn the ball over and Mossnell to have a field day.

and I am being highly optimistic.

saden1 · 10-26-2005, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Just a side note on Strahan (all good points by the way), Strahan has NEVER recorded a sack against Jon Jansen.

That's can't possibly be true!

TheMalcolmConnection · 10-26-2005, 10:34 PM

Honestly, I'm fairly certain it is... I just remember that being a huge point that came up in the papers last year when they talked about the upcoming game.

skinsguy · 10-26-2005, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by saden1

That's can't possibly be true!

Why can't it? I don't ever remember Strahan playing all that great against us...and I hope he doesn't start to do so on Sunday!

Gmanc711 · 10-26-2005, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsguy

Why can't it? I don't ever remember Strahan playing all that great against us...and I hope he doesn't start to do so on Sunday!

Yeah, they ussually point out how well Jansen has blocked against Strahan in the past. I think Jasen is just in the middle of his prime and Strahan while still very, very good is starting to decline.

I do remember Strahan having one strong game against us though, I'm pretty sure it was the 2003 OT game in FedEx. Could be wrong though.

10-26-2005, 10:28 AM	#47
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lexington, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,225	Re: Skins versus Giants Looking at it purely objectively, both teams have weapons on offense. Moss, Portis, Cooley, Patten, Brunell = Toomer, Barber, Shockey, Burress, Manning I'd give a slight edge to our receivers and QB. Our defense IS far superior to the Giants defense. Lately is has been open to the big running play, but I don't think that our secondary will give up many big plays. Both teams have elite running backs and both teams have great TEs. If the Redskins win, it will be because of the defense. Both teams will put up points, but if the Redskins take care of the ball, they win easily. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

10-26-2005, 04:37 PM	#48
SkinsRock Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Crofton, MD Age: 55 Posts: 907	Re: Skins versus Giants One thing that no one has mentioned is that the Giants will have motivation in trying to win it in honor of the late Mara. That being said, they won't. I agree with others in that the two offenses seem to even each other out in terms of talent, but the Skins' D is far superior to the Giants. As always, turnovers will be key. The media loves Ellie right now after his lucky win vs. Denver, but he will turn back into a typical "deer in the headlights" second year QB going against the confusing Redskins defense. Time for the Redskins to assert themselves on the road against a good team, and earn the respect the national media is so reluctant to give them! Redskins 28 Giants 17

10-26-2005, 05:38 PM	#49
Wanga Skins Special Teams Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Westminster, MD Age: 45 Posts: 135	Re: Skins versus Giants I think the best stat about their defense was the 3rd conversion percentage they give up which is worst in the league (49.4%) were as we are one of the best in the league (2nd) in offensive 3rd down conversions (46.1%). What this means is we win the game that looks close on the scoreboard but dominated statistically by TOP, yards, and GOD WILLING the turnover battle. Redskins 24 Ginats 13

10-26-2005, 06:10 PM	#50
5RINGS Closet Redskins Fan Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 495	Re: Skins versus Giants I posted this after Dallas beat the Giants. What we did was, 1.) Demarcus Ware eating Pettigouts lunch with outside speed rushes. And Greg Ellis eating up RT McKenzie at will. (Do you guys have an edge pass rusher with deceptive size and speed? I mean besides the one you have but isn't allowed to play) Now you have arrington playing this is where you need him. 2.) Bring it on ELI!! When we dropped 8 back, he ate us up. When we went blitz and got pressure, the throws were either long, short, or picked off. He will pick you apart in prevent, he is good and he doesn't play like a 12 game starter. Plus He is more athletic than you would think. He ran down Anthony Henry and almost knocked the ball out of his hands after an int. He. Is. For. Real. I can't stress that enough. 3.) It's nice having the ability to change fronts (3/4 - 4/3) but the real luxury is having a guy like LaRoi Glover. The Giants strayed away from the run and that is when Glover will eat up double teams when he doesn't have to worry about getting sucked in and run behind. He had 2 sacks. 4.) We put our fastest DB on Shockey - Terrance Newman - and he shut Big Mouth Shockey down, untill the second half when we left our LB's and Safetys on him. You cannot cover Shockey with an LB. He will eat you alive. Arrington cannot cover him, this would be a disaster for you. Put a DB on him and put Spring on Plex, and use your nickel cb on Toomer. Other than that, get Red zone points. The Giants will let you win the time of possesion battle, but hope to burn you with turnovers. Brunell will be harder to get at in the pocket than Bledsoe. But Strahan WILL get inside the pocket. __________________ I am a complete and unabashed Romosexual.

10-26-2005, 06:20 PM	#51
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lexington, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,225	Re: Skins versus Giants Just a side note on Strahan (all good points by the way), Strahan has NEVER recorded a sack against Jon Jansen. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

10-26-2005, 06:20 PM	#52
RedskinRat Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: I'm in LA, trick! Posts: 8,700	Re: Skins versus Giants We can control the clock and score points, Giants struggled last week and will continue to do so. I expect to see them down from the Mara loss, not up. If the Giants score it'll be late in the game again, we have to make sure we don't let them back in. D wins this one, balanced, time consuming Offense scores 28.

10-26-2005, 06:20 PM	#53
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lexington, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,225	Re: Skins versus Giants Skins 24, OBGYants 14 __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

10-26-2005, 06:30 PM	#54
5RINGS Closet Redskins Fan Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 495	Re: Skins versus Giants please please don't let Shockey beat you!! he is the only player I have ever hated who came from The U. __________________ I am a complete and unabashed Romosexual.

10-26-2005, 06:46 PM	#55
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lexington, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,225	Re: Skins versus Giants I know man. I HATE Shockey. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

10-26-2005, 08:02 PM	#56
expatriated_in_PHX Camp Scrub Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Gilbert, AZ Age: 55 Posts: 37	Re: Skins versus Giants Skins 42 Gnats 24 I expect the Skins to not turn the ball over and Mossnell to have a field day. and I am being highly optimistic.

10-26-2005, 10:34 PM	#58
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lexington, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,225	Re: Skins versus Giants Honestly, I'm fairly certain it is... I just remember that being a huge point that came up in the papers last year when they talked about the upcoming game. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

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