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[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by skinsfanthru&thru

Some pretty interesting figures here:
Washington Redskins Stats That Mattered in 2013 | Bleacher Report

A while back I made a comment how all of our units were terrible and how at many times each unit negatively affected the other. This stat is just ridiculous but it also sort of proves my point:

"38: That's the number of times the Redskins defense was forced to take the field in its own territory, which was the highest total in the NFL by a margin of five, according to ESPN's John Keim. Historically bad special teams and a high turnover rate will do that. "

That's an average of 2 times per game that special teams and/or the offense let the opponents start in Washington's side of the field.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

A while back I made a comment how all of our units were terrible and how at many times each unit negatively affected the other. This stat is just ridiculous but it also sort of proves my point:

"38: That's the number of times the Redskins defense was forced to take the field in its own territory, which was the highest total in the NFL by a margin of five, according to ESPN's John Keim. Historically bad special teams and a high turnover rate will do that. "

That's an average of 2 times per game that special teams and/or the offense let the opponents start in Washington's side of the field.

3-13 is what u get

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Some of you guys make waaaaay to many excuses for Robert. Reminds me of the ole Jason Campbell supporters. Facts are facts. He didn't have good field vision, didn't read the defenses well, accuracy was way off, and he held onto the ball too long at times.

Sure, the offensive line was offensive at times, but the fact of the matter is our QB play stunk. (as well as other positions)

An excuse is something like blaming the 2012 knee injury. Or saying that all sophomores struggle. Those are excuses that don't address the on field play.

Saying that the interior lineman couldn't build a pocket or that a lot of times the offensive gameplan seemed counterproductive just means you understood what was happening.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Some of you guys make waaaaay to many excuses for Robert. Reminds me of the ole Jason Campbell supporters. Facts are facts. He didn't have good field vision, didn't read the defenses well, accuracy was way off, and he held onto the ball too long at times.

Sure, the offensive line was offensive at times, but the fact of the matter is our QB play stunk. (as well as other positions)

Conversely, some people are acting like Griffin was Shuler-like last season. There were times he looked like crap and there were times he looked like what we expect him to be. In the middle of the season, there were stretches where he looked as good as any QB we faced this year outside of Manning. Unfortunately, it was never for long enough.

I'm already tired of the 'experts' talking about having to 'fix' Griffin. SVP & Russilo asked Tim Hasselbeck the other day if 'RG3 is the biggest question mark in the NFL heading into next season'. Seriously? He needs an offseason, healthy, to be coached and develop. If he still has ratings in the 70's, a high turnover ratio, has sloppy mechanics and runs/puts himself in danger too much, then let's have that discussion. Until then, people need to chill.

All of the smoke and noise that Shanahan & his camp put out the last 5 or 6 weeks of the season has worked to distract people from the piss poor job he did and was fired as a result of.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by skinsfanthru&thru

Some pretty interesting figures here:
Washington Redskins Stats That Mattered in 2013 | Bleacher Report

Insane, Robert was pressured 38% of his dropbacks and 46 dropped passes? No QB could succeed with those stats. On top of that, the D gave up 30 points a game!

58.4: That was Kirk Cousins' passer rating in relief of Griffin, which if he qualified would have ranked dead last in the NFL by a huge margin. He threw seven interceptions on only 155 attempts, which is pretty much unacceptable. Griffin struggled in 2013, but Cousins was even worse. Jay Gruden is right about there being no quarterback competition.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Conversely, some people are acting like Griffin was Shuler-like last season. There were times he looked like crap and there were times he looked like what we expect him to be. In the middle of the season, there were stretches where he looked as good as any QB we faced this year outside of Manning. Unfortunately, it was never for long enough.

I'm already tired of the 'experts' talking about having to 'fix' Griffin. SVP & Russilo asked Tim Hasselbeck the other day if 'RG3 is the biggest question mark in the NFL heading into next season'. Seriously? He needs an offseason, healthy, to be coached and develop. If he still has ratings in the 70's, a high turnover ratio, has sloppy mechanics and runs/puts himself in danger too much, then let's have that discussion. Until then, people need to chill.

All of the smoke and noise that Shanahan & his camp put out the last 5 or 6 weeks of the season has worked to distract people from the piss poor job he did and was fired as a result of.

It's as if 2012 never happened.

A guy coming off a serious knee injury with no offseason work gets no breaks I guess.

[Paintrain]

Jay Gruden wants RGIII to succeed in the pocket. | SportsonEarth.com : Dan Pompei Article

Not sure if many of the Gruden quotes are from a one on one interview or an article written based on quotes the writer gathered from multiple sources (that's what it seemed to me) but some interesting insights into how Gruden is thinking about RGIII. Some things contradict what Gruden told Peter King which is why I think it's largely writer assumptions rather than a true interview.

Some highlights:
-Thinking 3 or 4 read option plays, max, per game
-Wants to focus on dropping back in the offseason
-Intrigued by passing options like Morgan, Moss, Davis and Paulsen (again why I think the writer is making some editorial assumptions since 3/4 of them won't be back)

[Gary84Clark]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

Insane, Robert was pressured 38% of his dropbacks and 46 dropped passes? No QB could succeed with those stats. On top of that, the D gave up 30 points a game!

but the defensive stats are skewed because special needs teams gave up field position like an obese call girl in a Nevada brothel.

[skinsfan69]

People need to move on from 12 and 13. RG3 had a very good rookie year, but so did Vince Young. It doesn't mean you're a good NFL QB because you have one good year, just like it doesn't mean he sucks cause he had a down year. The injury obviously played a part. He's got a new coach who hopefully can get him to where he needs to be. I'm more concerned about building a good team around him.

[CRedskinsRule]

What I don't get, is even with last year's performance slump (table from the b/r article)
RGIII's sophomore slump
rank area 2012 (rank) 2013 (rank)
Comp. % 65.6 (5th) 60.1 (25th)
TD % 5.1 (8th) 3.5 (27th)
INT % 1.3 (1st) 2.6 (18th)
YPA 8.1 (1st) 7.0 (18th)
Rating 102.1 (3rd) 82.2 (22nd)
QBR 71.41 (5th) 40.12 (28th)
Rush YPA 6.8 (1st) 5.7 (4th)
Rush YPG 54.3 (1st) 38.3 (4th)
Rush TD 7 (2nd) 0 (T-27th)

Clearly his numbers dropped, imo due to three main parts:
part of that was injury,
part was coaching dysfunction, and
part was a decline/lack of growth in his skill set.

But even so, his numbers generally were NFL caliber talent. I would imagine we saw his floor this past year, and closer to his ceiling range in 2012. I just don't get the way a guy who was treated so highly one year drops so far in fans perception, when clearly there were obvious contributing factors...

[MTK]

VY's rookie year is a joke compared to RG3's, just saying.

[MTK]

If RG had put up last year's numbers as a rookie we would have been pretty pleased. 60% completions, more TDs than INTs.

[That Guy]

we still had an average offense, a bottom 3 defense and the worst ST unit since the 2000 buffalo bills.

no, he didn't play great, but there are bigger problems than slightly below average QB play.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

If RG had put up last year's numbers as a rookie we would have been pretty pleased. 60% completions, more TDs than INTs.

We should also know from experience that a "sophomore slump" doesn't mean anything if the player bounces back.

Cam Newton. I had him written off too because of his attitude and "me, me me, I want to be an entertainer not a QB" comments but he proved everyone wrong.

Griffin DID start slow, which was to be expected. Peterson had a very slow start after his ACL before he want insane later in the year to go for 2000 yards. He'll be back next year, I'm not worried at all. His recovery coupled with the complete collapse of the whole team and coaching staff around him...yeah, he had a pretty good year when you consider everything.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

We should also know from experience that a "sophomore slump" doesn't mean anything if the player bounces back.

Cam Newton. I had him written off too because of his attitude and "me, me me, I want to be an entertainer not a QB" comments but he proved everyone wrong.

Griffin DID start slow, which was to be expected. Peterson had a very slow start after his ACL before he want insane later in the year to go for 2000 yards. He'll be back next year, I'm not worried at all. His recovery coupled with the complete collapse of the whole team and coaching staff around him...yeah, he had a pretty good year when you consider everything.

Sorry to thread-jack and not to call you out for this at all, but this right here is the reason why I hate the media today. Those comments (or more accurately 'not only do I want to be a football player, but I want to be an entertainer and an icon) were given to Peter King in a promotional interview for Under Armour when asked about the endorsement deal. Broadcasters, bloggers and even King himself glommed on to that part of a quote, out of context, and ran with it.

Similar things happened to RG3 with all of the mess this season. People latched onto the negative narrative regardless of who it came from or if it was even valid.

/threadjacking