Joe Gibbs and Veteran QB's

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

What pisses me off is that Bill Walsh and the WestCoast offense get too much credit. The Redskins, Cowboys and Rams of the 80's and 90's won 7 SB championships using the Air Coryell offense. The Giants and Patriots use the Erhardt-Perkins offense and won 5 SB's (not counting sure Coughlin runs, otherwise it's 7).

How many SB's do u think a WC based team has won? The Walsh coaching tree is arguably the most influential and deepest of them all.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

How many SB's do u think a WC based team has won? The Walsh coaching tree is arguably the most influential and deepest of them all.

You mean Paul Brown if you want to get down to it.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

You mean Paul Brown if you want to get down to it.

In the end it's the players that make it go, not the coaches who call the plays and design them.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

In the end it's the players that make it go, not the coaches who call the plays and design them.

I disagree, example Marty schottenheimer. His conservative style cost him playoff wins more than once.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

I disagree, example Marty schottenheimer. His conservative style cost him playoff wins more than once.

The Cowboys ran a very simple version of Don Coryell's offense. If it doesn't have Aikman, Emmitt, Irvin and an all world o-line, they don't win 3 Super Bowl's in 4 years. In the end, it always comes down to players and how they execute the offense. No disrespect to Bill Walsh or Don Coryell. They were both great head coaches and great minds of offense. But if Walsh doesn't have Montana, and let's say Steve Deberg, he's not going down in history as one of the greatest coaches ever.

[Defensewins]

That makes sense.
I knew Beathard and Gibbs did not always agree on player personnel. Nobody is perfect and neither of them was either. Beathard drafted Ryan Leaf! Ouch!

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

As was I. And the pick ended up being a 3rd (it was a conditional 4th)

I was told by teammates and other people associated with the team back then that-and that is kind of convoluted so bear with me-Gibbs didn't like Humphries, never wanted to draft him. Mainly because of the work ethic questions. But Beathard was a big fan, and so was Richie Petitbon. And Cooke gave the overriding decision in Beathard's favor on the Humphries pick. And Beathard's thinking was that Gibbs had been hinting at retiring at the end of the 80s so Beathard figured he had his new coach and their mutually agreed upon QB ready to go for when Gibbs left. But Gibbs didn't go and Beathard moved on. And then he took Humphries just before Richie became HC, which pissed Richie off.

could you imagine if internet reporting was available back then. We probably would have a very different memory of the time period

[JoeRedskin]

Gibbs 1.0

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Gibbs 1.0

OTOH, Gibbs 1.0 had Beathard pick players, not Vinny and Danny.

[JoeRedskin]

I was surprised that Brown was ranked 6th. The man won a slew of championships and was more of an innovator than Lombardi, Noll, or Shula and Walsh developed the West Coast offense under his tutelage (although Walsh felt Brown purposely held him back). In so many ways, he is responsible for the game as it is now played.

So I guess the top 5 are Lombardi, Halas, Walsh (If Walsh beats out either of these two, I will puke) Shula, Noll.

Brown was jobbed.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

I was surprised that Brown was ranked 6th. The man won a slew of championships and was more of an innovator than Lombardi, Noll, or Shula and Walsh developed the West Coast offense under his tutelage (although Walsh felt Brown purposely held him back). In so many ways, he is responsible for the game as it is now played.

So I guess the top 5 are Lombardi, Halas, Walsh (If Walsh beats out either of these two, I will puke) Shula, Noll.

Brown was jobbed.

It's obvious that ESPN has always had a love affair for Walsh and the 49ers. How could Brown be ranked lower than Walsh? Brown won 7 championships, developed the so called WCO. Bill Parcells owned Bill Walsh, in my opinion Walsh is not better than Gibbs, Noll, Parcells or Brown. Chuck Noll's Steelers from the early 70's would destroy any 49er team, those are best teams I've ever seen, they were mean and loaded, Noll did it with Bradshaw, he was no Joe Montana. When you have clowns like Berman, Cowherd, Golic, they are going to play favorites, Ditka and Reiley seem like the fair ones.
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[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

It's obvious that ESPN has always had a love affair for Walsh and the 49ers. How could Brown be ranked lower than Walsh? Brown won 7 championships, developed the so called WCO. Bill Parcells owned Bill Walsh, in my opinion Walsh is not better than Gibbs, Noll, Parcells or Brown. Chuck Noll's Steelers from the early 70's would destroy any 49er team, those are best teams I've ever seen, they were mean and loaded, Noll did it with Bradshaw, he was no Joe Montana. When you have clowns like Berman, Cowherd, Golic, they are going to play favorites, Ditka and Reiley seem like the fair ones.
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What's that bolded part all about?

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

I was surprised that Brown was ranked 6th. The man won a slew of championships and was more of an innovator than Lombardi, Noll, or Shula and Walsh developed the West Coast offense under his tutelage (although Walsh felt Brown purposely held him back). In so many ways, he is responsible for the game as it is now played.

So I guess the top 5 are Lombardi, Halas, Walsh (If Walsh beats out either of these two, I will puke) Shula, Noll.

Brown was jobbed.

I think Tom Landry needs to be in the top 3. Not only was he way ahead of his time, with all of the shifting, a lot of motion, the shotgun formation and flex defense, he called both the offense and defense. To me, he was one of the best, if not the best.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I think Tom Landry needs to be in the top 3. Not only was he way ahead of his time, with all of the shifting, a lot of motion, the shotgun formation and flex defense, he called both the offense and defense. To me, he was one of the best, if not the best.

Tom Landry was an outstanding coach. One of the best ever...but don't tell that to people here

[skinsnut]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I think Tom Landry needs to be in the top 3. Not only was he way ahead of his time, with all of the shifting, a lot of motion, the shotgun formation and flex defense, he called both the offense and defense. To me, he was one of the best, if not the best.

Blasphemy!