Return Of Lavar

Daseal · 02-11-2005, 09:52 PM

heh, LaVar has been labeled overrated for some time. He's exciting to watch and has a personallity like McNabb's that draws the media to him. However, Peppers is an amazing player who would impact our defense more. I'd like to see a poll on who you'd take - peppers or lavar. It would be interesting (assuming no salary cap implications, etc.)

wolfeskins · 02-11-2005, 10:00 PM

that would be a tough poll to answer because peppers is , without a doubt, a very good player but i just have to see lavar play a full season in greg williams system before i could even think about trading him.

offiss · 02-12-2005, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by wolfeskins

that would be a tough poll to answer because peppers is , without a doubt, a very good player but i just have to see lavar play a full season in greg williams system before i could even think about trading him.

Well there's the difference between the 2 it doesn't matter what system Pepper's play's in, and how foolish to think I would judge Lavar based on an injury, it's all based on his performance he's paid like an elite player and play's like nothing special. Anyone who would want Lavar over Pepper's is just foolish, the best D-end in the game against the most overated player in the game, LAVAR IS NOTHING SPECIAL!

MTK · 02-12-2005, 10:11 AM

Well, it's not a fair comparison since they don't play the same position, but if I had the choice, salary cap concerns aside, of course I would take Peppers. I may be a LaVar fanboy but I'm not a boneheaded fanboy.

I think it's a bit of a stretch to single out LaVar as the most overrated player in the game, I can think of plenty of guys who are more overrated.

wolfeskins · 02-12-2005, 10:22 AM

offiss, has there ever been a time when you thought lavar was not overrated ? like the time lavar single handedly turned the skins season around with an interception return for a touchdown against the panthers or when he ended troy aikman's football career or is your hatred for lavar because you don't like penn state. by the way , the most overrated player in football is currently M.VICK !

wolfeskins · 02-12-2005, 11:11 AM

offiss, has there ever been a time when you thought lavar was not overrated ? like the time lavar single handedly turned the skins season around with an interception return for a touchdown against the panthers or when he ended troy aikman's football career or is your hatred for lavar because you don't like penn state. by the way , the most overrated player in football is currently M.VICK !

wolfeskins · 02-12-2005, 02:13 PM

offiss, has there ever been a time when you thought lavar was not overrated ? like the time lavar single handedly turned the skins season around with an interception return for a touchdown against the panthers or when he ended troy aikman's football career or is your hatred for lavar because you don't like penn state. by the way , the most overrated player in football is currently M.VICK !

wolfeskins · 02-12-2005, 02:16 PM

Sorry, Didn't Intend To Post That 3 Times.

offiss · 02-12-2005, 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolfeskins

offiss, has there ever been a time when you thought lavar was not overrated ? like the time lavar single handedly turned the skins season around with an interception return for a touchdown against the panthers or when he ended troy aikman's football career or is your hatred for lavar because you don't like penn state. by the way , the most overrated player in football is currently M.VICK !

You are just to caught up in your own emotion's on this, he turned a season around? How did we finish that year? Out of the playoff's, nice job Lavar. Hatred? you should read my post's more carefully I have said on many occasion that I like Lavar personally, my problem is he's paid like an all world LB and play's no better than an average LB no matter how much more physically gifted he is than other LB's, ending Aikman's career? Somebody had to do it, if Lavar get's a clean shot on a player he will punish them the problem is those hit's are few and far between, and he misses way to many tackles, as for Penn state they are my favorite college team so you can throw that theory out the window. As for Vick, I agree he is going to follow in Lavar's footstep's.

Perhap's you should watch Lavar's game a little more closely, because if you do you will see a supposed pass rusher who get's eaten up by TE's and linemen, and once they lock on to him he goes no where, any LB with speed can get sack's running around people if called on to do so, the great LB's can disengage from a block Lavar can not, in fact I have yet to see a spin move out of him on a pass rush, he's a personality that the NFL just loves to promote but he AIN'T FOOL'IN ME!

wolfeskins · 02-12-2005, 09:43 PM

ok offiss, your claims about lavar are fair ones, i just happen to disagree with you. personally, i feel lavar is a better player than you claim he is but never-the-less we'll just have to disagree on this one. thanks for the good discussion.

SKINSnCANES · 02-12-2005, 11:55 PM

lavar could be elite if he were to be more of a student of the game, he relies solely on his athletic ability. With that being said, Lavar is in on everyplay, and is there for every tackle. Most of that has to do with his natural ability and insticnts. When you have a guy like lavar in the game he shuts down a side of the field. Plays are made opposite him solely becuase of his athletic ability to get there. If you have lavar on one side and taylor on the other you know big plays are going to start to happen. Mabye not by them, but they are creating opportunites for the other team to force something. Lavar doesnt need to be the leader on our defense, pierce can call the plays. But if you have two freaks of nature on the field it only makes you that much better

MTK · 02-13-2005, 12:02 AM

Where you would you guys rate LaVar in terms of the best outside linebackers in the league?

Top 5? Top 10? If you say outside of the Top 10 I want to see a list!

wolfeskins · 02-13-2005, 09:31 AM

easily top 10 , i would say , and possibly top 5

skinsfanthru&thru · 02-13-2005, 12:02 PM

lbs I'd say were better than lavar would be in particular order, R. Lewis(even though I think he's overrated he's still pretty damn good), Derrick Brooks, Keith Brooking, Takeo Spikes, and when healthy Julian Peterson. I think unless he sharpens his mental aspect of the game, Marcus will pass him on the list as will players like Vilma and Keith Bullock. but right now I'd place him in the top 6-8 area and has the capability to be top 3.

BigSKINBauer · 02-13-2005, 06:01 PM

Wolf people with brains actually got your back anyone who says that our defense would be the same w/o lavar is dumb. For example not to dish on Marshall( he did great in his situation coming in for the best lolb in the leage) but ESPN put out its 2004-2005 allstar team. On defense, Marcus Washington was named best SLB in the leage!!!! then Pierce best middle in any 4-3 Deffense and Farrior and Spike took the other two spots, I see 2 redskins but not the third guy, THIS PROVES WE WOULD BE BETTER. EVERY DEFENSIVE PLAYER ON THE TEAM IMPROVED "THE NO-NAME DEFENSE" IT IS IDIOTIC TO SAY THE ONLY PLAYER WITH A NAME PRIOR TO THE BEGGINING OF THE SEASON WOULD NOT IMPROVE, BOWEN WAS GREAT IN THE FIRST GAME BUT JUST OK LAST YEAR, SMOOT HAS IMPROVED AND WE ARE BETTER WITHOUT TROTTER,ARMSTEAD, AND BAILEY. ARRINGTON WOULD HAVE IMPROVED TO BE THE BEST DEFENSIVE PLAYER THEREFORE MVP. HE GETS INJURED AND ALL YOU F#$#s descide he should be traded, what the hell is wrong with you. THIS MAN UNLIKE SMOOT IS NOT ARRGUING FOR EXTRA MONEY WHICH IS RIGHTFULLY HIS, HE SAID HE DIDN'T WANT TO PUT THE TEAM THROUGH THAT TROUBLE. HE HAS HEART AND HALF OF YOU SEEM THAT IT IS MORE IMPORTANT TO GET A B##$# LIKE SMOOT BACK HE USED TO BE MY FAVORITE PLAYER BUT ARGUES FOR 2 MILLION DOLLORS AND IS PREPARED TO LEAVE. WTF. ARRINGTON IS LOSING 7 MILLION AND SAYS ITS OK AND THAT HE WILL FORGIVE BUT NOT FORGET. ANSWER BACK AND I'LL GIVE YOU REASONS TO ANY DEFENSE THAT YOU HAVE TO TRADE HIM

THINK ABOUT 3-4 WHICH WILLIAMS LIKES WITH ARRINGTON, BARROW, PIERCE AND WASHINGTON WHO ESPN NAMED THE BEST LINEBACKERS AT THIER POSITIONS!!

02-12-2005, 11:55 PM	#56
SKINSnCANES Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 42 Posts: 5,454	lavar could be elite if he were to be more of a student of the game, he relies solely on his athletic ability. With that being said, Lavar is in on everyplay, and is there for every tackle. Most of that has to do with his natural ability and insticnts. When you have a guy like lavar in the game he shuts down a side of the field. Plays are made opposite him solely becuase of his athletic ability to get there. If you have lavar on one side and taylor on the other you know big plays are going to start to happen. Mabye not by them, but they are creating opportunites for the other team to force something. Lavar doesnt need to be the leader on our defense, pierce can call the plays. But if you have two freaks of nature on the field it only makes you that much better __________________ "I'm used to winning, coming from the University of Miami. " Clinton Portis

02-11-2005, 09:52 PM	#46
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 41 Posts: 8,341	heh, LaVar has been labeled overrated for some time. He's exciting to watch and has a personallity like McNabb's that draws the media to him. However, Peppers is an amazing player who would impact our defense more. I'd like to see a poll on who you'd take - peppers or lavar. It would be interesting (assuming no salary cap implications, etc.)

02-11-2005, 10:00 PM	#47
wolfeskins The Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: chesapeake,va. Posts: 2,160	that would be a tough poll to answer because peppers is , without a doubt, a very good player but i just have to see lavar play a full season in greg williams system before i could even think about trading him.

02-12-2005, 10:11 AM	#49
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,464	Well, it's not a fair comparison since they don't play the same position, but if I had the choice, salary cap concerns aside, of course I would take Peppers. I may be a LaVar fanboy but I'm not a boneheaded fanboy. I think it's a bit of a stretch to single out LaVar as the most overrated player in the game, I can think of plenty of guys who are more overrated.

02-12-2005, 10:22 AM	#50
wolfeskins The Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: chesapeake,va. Posts: 2,160	offiss, has there ever been a time when you thought lavar was not overrated ? like the time lavar single handedly turned the skins season around with an interception return for a touchdown against the panthers or when he ended troy aikman's football career or is your hatred for lavar because you don't like penn state. by the way , the most overrated player in football is currently M.VICK !

02-12-2005, 11:11 AM	#51
wolfeskins The Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: chesapeake,va. Posts: 2,160	offiss, has there ever been a time when you thought lavar was not overrated ? like the time lavar single handedly turned the skins season around with an interception return for a touchdown against the panthers or when he ended troy aikman's football career or is your hatred for lavar because you don't like penn state. by the way , the most overrated player in football is currently M.VICK !

02-12-2005, 02:13 PM	#52
wolfeskins The Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: chesapeake,va. Posts: 2,160	offiss, has there ever been a time when you thought lavar was not overrated ? like the time lavar single handedly turned the skins season around with an interception return for a touchdown against the panthers or when he ended troy aikman's football career or is your hatred for lavar because you don't like penn state. by the way , the most overrated player in football is currently M.VICK !

02-12-2005, 02:16 PM	#53
wolfeskins The Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: chesapeake,va. Posts: 2,160	Sorry, Didn't Intend To Post That 3 Times.

02-12-2005, 09:43 PM	#55
wolfeskins The Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: chesapeake,va. Posts: 2,160	ok offiss, your claims about lavar are fair ones, i just happen to disagree with you. personally, i feel lavar is a better player than you claim he is but never-the-less we'll just have to disagree on this one. thanks for the good discussion.

02-13-2005, 12:02 AM	#57
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,464	Where you would you guys rate LaVar in terms of the best outside linebackers in the league? Top 5? Top 10? If you say outside of the Top 10 I want to see a list!

02-13-2005, 09:31 AM	#58
wolfeskins The Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: chesapeake,va. Posts: 2,160	easily top 10 , i would say , and possibly top 5

02-13-2005, 12:02 PM	#59
skinsfanthru&thru Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Age: 44 Posts: 3,813	lbs I'd say were better than lavar would be in particular order, R. Lewis(even though I think he's overrated he's still pretty damn good), Derrick Brooks, Keith Brooking, Takeo Spikes, and when healthy Julian Peterson. I think unless he sharpens his mental aspect of the game, Marcus will pass him on the list as will players like Vilma and Keith Bullock. but right now I'd place him in the top 6-8 area and has the capability to be top 3.

02-13-2005, 06:01 PM	#60
BigSKINBauer Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Washington, DC Age: 36 Posts: 5,688	Wolf people with brains actually got your back anyone who says that our defense would be the same w/o lavar is dumb. For example not to dish on Marshall( he did great in his situation coming in for the best lolb in the leage) but ESPN put out its 2004-2005 allstar team. On defense, Marcus Washington was named best SLB in the leage!!!! then Pierce best middle in any 4-3 Deffense and Farrior and Spike took the other two spots, I see 2 redskins but not the third guy, THIS PROVES WE WOULD BE BETTER. EVERY DEFENSIVE PLAYER ON THE TEAM IMPROVED "THE NO-NAME DEFENSE" IT IS IDIOTIC TO SAY THE ONLY PLAYER WITH A NAME PRIOR TO THE BEGGINING OF THE SEASON WOULD NOT IMPROVE, BOWEN WAS GREAT IN THE FIRST GAME BUT JUST OK LAST YEAR, SMOOT HAS IMPROVED AND WE ARE BETTER WITHOUT TROTTER,ARMSTEAD, AND BAILEY. ARRINGTON WOULD HAVE IMPROVED TO BE THE BEST DEFENSIVE PLAYER THEREFORE MVP. HE GETS INJURED AND ALL YOU F#$#s descide he should be traded, what the hell is wrong with you. THIS MAN UNLIKE SMOOT IS NOT ARRGUING FOR EXTRA MONEY WHICH IS RIGHTFULLY HIS, HE SAID HE DIDN'T WANT TO PUT THE TEAM THROUGH THAT TROUBLE. HE HAS HEART AND HALF OF YOU SEEM THAT IT IS MORE IMPORTANT TO GET A B##$# LIKE SMOOT BACK HE USED TO BE MY FAVORITE PLAYER BUT ARGUES FOR 2 MILLION DOLLORS AND IS PREPARED TO LEAVE. WTF. ARRINGTON IS LOSING 7 MILLION AND SAYS ITS OK AND THAT HE WILL FORGIVE BUT NOT FORGET. ANSWER BACK AND I'LL GIVE YOU REASONS TO ANY DEFENSE THAT YOU HAVE TO TRADE HIM THINK ABOUT 3-4 WHICH WILLIAMS LIKES WITH ARRINGTON, BARROW, PIERCE AND WASHINGTON WHO ESPN NAMED THE BEST LINEBACKERS AT THIER POSITIONS!!

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