What's your take on our coaching?

Gary84Clark · 10-17-2011, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by irish

He obviously knows he doesnt really have a QB, his WRs are not much to brag about, and his O line stinks. He has his system and he's trying to install it as SOP for the team while the talent that can run his system is brought in.

IMO it was the same with Hazlette last year. Everyone was screaming that he's an idiot who should know he doesnt have the talent to run his D and should switch but guess what, he got some talent and now his D looks pretty good. Its gonna be the same for Kyle. He's got very little talent now but will keep getting more and as that happens and the team gets used to his system things will improve.

Mike said he had two QBs. He had a competition in camp. HAHA! WRs are straight not an excuse. O-line, if he knows he needs linemen then why wasn't he drafting any? This is year two not year one. Compare this rebuilding job to GibbsII. Joe was better by far. I miss Joe everyday and pray Taylor is doing well.

MTK · 10-17-2011, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Gary84Clark

Mike said he had two QBs. He had a competition in camp. HAHA! WRs are straight not an excuse. O-line, if he knows he needs linemen then why wasn't he drafting any? This is year two not year one. Compare this rebuilding job to GibbsII. Joe was better by far. I miss Joe everyday and pray Taylor is doing well.

In 2005 Gibbs was coming off a 6-10 season and was also 3-2 at this point in the season. Maybe we should give this some more time to play out before we say who was better.

GMScud · 10-17-2011, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

In 2005 Gibbs was coming off a 6-10 season and was also 3-2 at this point in the season. Maybe we should give this some more time to play out before we say who was better.

Seriously. Nothing like the hyperbole on the Monday after a division loss.

tryfuhl · 10-17-2011, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by skins89moss

My take is that the Redskin coaches no more about the NFL game than any fool on here who tries to pretend he knows more.

Yeah but so did Jim Zorn

Gary84Clark · 10-17-2011, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

In 2005 Gibbs was coming off a 6-10 season and was also 3-2 at this point in the season. Maybe we should give this some more time to play out before we say who was better.

Agreed Beck to the future!!!

Ruhskins · 10-17-2011, 01:53 PM

I think coaches always get off the hook with most of the fans and I am glad this thread is creating a discussion about them. Let me start by saying that I do agree with the criticism that is given to our players. But I feel that at a certain point, coaches need to be held accountable as well.

In regards to leadership, I like what MS has done between last year and this year. Getting rid of the drama was the best improvement during the offseason. Also, BA and MS have done a good job at bringing character guys with talent (like Kerrigan). This week has been the only week that I have somewhat questioned Mike's leadership. I expected him to do a better job at getting this team mentally ready for such an important game. And I thought waiting to pull Rex until the end of the third quarter, was just a poor decision. I'm sure he had his reasons, but I think that switch was a quarter too late.

I don't know how much involved Mike is in the playcalling, but something needs to change with Kyle S. We are not the Texans with Schaub and Johnson...we have Beck throwing to Moss. We can't be a pass-first team, not with the average guy we have (and I mean Beck) and the somewhat average receivers. We have the possibility of having a good running game (don't know how that will be with our banged up o-line) yet that doesn't seem to be the focus of the team, even when playing against poor run defenses.

tryfuhl · 10-17-2011, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Should Beck play well, I wonder if anyone will then credit Kyle. I think his flaw is not in designing the plays, but picking the right spots to call them. Mike is definitely involved though, he's not sitting there without giving any input.

Agreed on the timing/position of playcalling.. reminds me of when I'm casually playing madden... the plays are getting people open but if our QB can't capitalize on it one of the two has to change for now

Longtimefan · 10-17-2011, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

From what I gathered that delay of game was more so a miscommunication between MS and the referees on getting the time out called.

And I'm not sure I'd gather from that one incident that there isn't camaraderie on this offense. I would think that the offseason workouts say otherwise.

I also believe, that the lockout and who was drafted ahead of us played key roles in affecting our QB plans. We do need a QB of the future, I absolutely agree. But unfortunately, that's not all we needed. We have added several key pieces. And I know after a loss like this, we all want to talk about how we have failed mightily and the rest of the season is doomed etc. If fans want to think that, fine, our feelings have no affect. But we're screwed if the actual team starts to believe it.

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over the mountain · 10-17-2011, 03:40 PM

I like our coaching staff for the most part, for what each brings.

mike shanahan - i like his vision and concept of the run game. hes said it repeatedly now since hes been here, this team will only be successful if we run the ball well and often.

I like how he finds "one cut, hit the hole hard" running backs and uses them.

I like how he has been successful in finding 3 starting athletic zone blocking OL in chester, trent and lich.

i like the improvements made and people he has brought in so far for the run game. give him another year and hell get to add a few more hand picked pieces to the O line and perhaps we will have enough depth to survive injuries unlike yesterday where the loss of lich and trent was absolutely unrecoverable.

how we wants to shape this team by being run first with hand picked OL guys who fit his athletic zone blocking scheme.

kyle - i admit he seems to give up on running the ball, particularly yesterday but with the O line injuries and being in a hole, its understandable. he called more screens and dump offs which dont replace a strong run game but kinda sorta act like a run game and those dump offs to davis were successful. i think he went to rb screens alil to much, the eagles were on it after awhile.

i do believe kyle's passing scheme will work and work very well in the NFL. a couple times yesterday rex and beck had guys open behind coverage with a few steps on the closest db only to have the qb underthrow it. give kyle an above average QB and i think we hit on some big pass plays that weve either missed or havent even taken a chance on.

haslett - im starting to like him. seems real aggressvie, doesnt seem to hide or disguise much which when we play a smart audible-able QB may spell disaster for us but i think hasletts aggressive play calling is making O coordinators taking his style and approach into account and making them change some of what they want to do as they try and gameplan for the skins in the week leading up to a game.

overall - i like our coaches alot. think we need to give them more depth on O line, more talent in a few places on D and above all a real legit QB. not having an upper tier QB has been killing us the past 15 to 20 years or so.

sportscurmudgeon · 10-17-2011, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

My take on coaching is... we should be focusing on the talent instead.

People complained about this same crap last year when our main problem clearly was a lack of talent. We're improved from last year in that department but we're still in the process of rebuilding this team.

Absolutely correct!!!

davy · 10-17-2011, 04:20 PM

People keep referring to Mike Shanahan as a 2 time Super Bowl winner.

That was in the dim and distant past.

I prefer to think of him as a guy who won a grand total of 1 playoff game in his last 10 years in Denver when he had total control.

Do not be surprised if he has even less success in his stay here.

GusFrerotte · 10-17-2011, 06:51 PM

Hindsight is always 20/20, but I agree with Goat, that this weird handling of the QB situation has t obe called into question. First of all, you acquire McNabb, then dump him before he completes one season, then go along with your vet backup, move him to starter, even if he was a suspect starter, which is how we got him in the first place. On top of that you bring in a 30 year old Qb that did start a handful of games for crappy teams, and still couldn't land a starting gig, until now your starter(who really is no better than a backup) has shown his true colors. We needed to go QB this past draft. This should have been a no brainer after we let Donovan go. Now we will draft a QB in 2012, and that is all cool, but that really means 2014 at the earliest to truly expect to contend for the division. How many of these guys are going to be around for 2014? I mean guys like Moss, Davis, Cooley(most likely done as a Skin starter), Orakpo, etc. This team will be in a constant rebuilding mode til we get the QB position solidified. I can wait til 2014, since I have waited since 1999 to have a really exciting team take the field, but I would like to know that there is an end in sight for this rebuilding eventually.As of right noiw, I am starting to think that the Shanahans are just taking Skins' nation for a ride

SmootSmack · 10-17-2011, 06:57 PM

The way rookie QBs come in and contribute right away these days, there's no reason that a rookie QB can't be factor next season with solid pieces around him. A QB is absolutely critical, I made the point that I thought we should have even added two young QBs this past offseason, but in the meantime we are building a solid core around that position

SBXVII · 10-17-2011, 07:10 PM

This is what it boils down to....

You bring in a young drafted talented QB and he gets mauled and trampled like Ramsey did with no OL. I think the coaching staff took the approach of getting the OL first in order to protect whoever they bring in next yr or whenever.

Remember this team has been decimated over the yrs because the team failed to draft OL. There was a strong need to get young talent on this team and get them NFL ready.

I think the coaching is fine and to me 100x better then years past. This coming from a Gibbs1/2 era fan. Some of you have issue's with the play calls and you have to realize what we got.... MS is a run first to set up the pass, but MS is not the OC. KS is a pass first to set up the run which made the Texans succesfull. The Skins problem is they don't have a decent QB and decent WR's. Pretty bad that AA is our only deep threat and he's injured. Moss is no longer the deep threat, Gaffney is awesome in short to intermediate routes but acts like 50/50 on the deep routes. Is anyone coaching up Hankerson to get him on the field sometime this year? or are they just letting him sit back and try to figure it all out himself? and as Smoot said.... play Austin more.

Mechanix544 · 10-17-2011, 07:15 PM

To tell you the truth, I am getting kind of worried if we can expect this kind of playcalling all season, as well as the personnel moves and clock mismanagment.

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10-17-2011, 01:53 PM	#51
Ruhskins Living Legend Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 22,340	Re: What's your take on our coaching? I think coaches always get off the hook with most of the fans and I am glad this thread is creating a discussion about them. Let me start by saying that I do agree with the criticism that is given to our players. But I feel that at a certain point, coaches need to be held accountable as well. In regards to leadership, I like what MS has done between last year and this year. Getting rid of the drama was the best improvement during the offseason. Also, BA and MS have done a good job at bringing character guys with talent (like Kerrigan). This week has been the only week that I have somewhat questioned Mike's leadership. I expected him to do a better job at getting this team mentally ready for such an important game. And I thought waiting to pull Rex until the end of the third quarter, was just a poor decision. I'm sure he had his reasons, but I think that switch was a quarter too late. I don't know how much involved Mike is in the playcalling, but something needs to change with Kyle S. We are not the Texans with Schaub and Johnson...we have Beck throwing to Moss. We can't be a pass-first team, not with the average guy we have (and I mean Beck) and the somewhat average receivers. We have the possibility of having a good running game (don't know how that will be with our banged up o-line) yet that doesn't seem to be the focus of the team, even when playing against poor run defenses. __________________ R.I.P. #21

10-17-2011, 03:40 PM	#54
over the mountain Playmaker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: close to the edge Posts: 4,926	Re: What's your take on our coaching? I like our coaching staff for the most part, for what each brings. mike shanahan - i like his vision and concept of the run game. hes said it repeatedly now since hes been here, this team will only be successful if we run the ball well and often. I like how he finds "one cut, hit the hole hard" running backs and uses them. I like how he has been successful in finding 3 starting athletic zone blocking OL in chester, trent and lich. i like the improvements made and people he has brought in so far for the run game. give him another year and hell get to add a few more hand picked pieces to the O line and perhaps we will have enough depth to survive injuries unlike yesterday where the loss of lich and trent was absolutely unrecoverable. how we wants to shape this team by being run first with hand picked OL guys who fit his athletic zone blocking scheme. kyle - i admit he seems to give up on running the ball, particularly yesterday but with the O line injuries and being in a hole, its understandable. he called more screens and dump offs which dont replace a strong run game but kinda sorta act like a run game and those dump offs to davis were successful. i think he went to rb screens alil to much, the eagles were on it after awhile. i do believe kyle's passing scheme will work and work very well in the NFL. a couple times yesterday rex and beck had guys open behind coverage with a few steps on the closest db only to have the qb underthrow it. give kyle an above average QB and i think we hit on some big pass plays that weve either missed or havent even taken a chance on. haslett - im starting to like him. seems real aggressvie, doesnt seem to hide or disguise much which when we play a smart audible-able QB may spell disaster for us but i think hasletts aggressive play calling is making O coordinators taking his style and approach into account and making them change some of what they want to do as they try and gameplan for the skins in the week leading up to a game. overall - i like our coaches alot. think we need to give them more depth on O line, more talent in a few places on D and above all a real legit QB. not having an upper tier QB has been killing us the past 15 to 20 years or so. __________________ Life is brutal, but beautiful

10-17-2011, 04:20 PM	#56
davy Impact Rookie Join Date: May 2004 Location: England Posts: 936	Re: What's your take on our coaching? People keep referring to Mike Shanahan as a 2 time Super Bowl winner. That was in the dim and distant past. I prefer to think of him as a guy who won a grand total of 1 playoff game in his last 10 years in Denver when he had total control. Do not be surprised if he has even less success in his stay here. __________________ “Don't ask me what I think of you, I might not give the answer that you want me to.”

10-17-2011, 06:51 PM	#57
GusFrerotte Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Detroit area Posts: 4,153	Re: What's your take on our coaching? Hindsight is always 20/20, but I agree with Goat, that this weird handling of the QB situation has t obe called into question. First of all, you acquire McNabb, then dump him before he completes one season, then go along with your vet backup, move him to starter, even if he was a suspect starter, which is how we got him in the first place. On top of that you bring in a 30 year old Qb that did start a handful of games for crappy teams, and still couldn't land a starting gig, until now your starter(who really is no better than a backup) has shown his true colors. We needed to go QB this past draft. This should have been a no brainer after we let Donovan go. Now we will draft a QB in 2012, and that is all cool, but that really means 2014 at the earliest to truly expect to contend for the division. How many of these guys are going to be around for 2014? I mean guys like Moss, Davis, Cooley(most likely done as a Skin starter), Orakpo, etc. This team will be in a constant rebuilding mode til we get the QB position solidified. I can wait til 2014, since I have waited since 1999 to have a really exciting team take the field, but I would like to know that there is an end in sight for this rebuilding eventually.As of right noiw, I am starting to think that the Shanahans are just taking Skins' nation for a ride

10-17-2011, 06:57 PM	#58
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: What's your take on our coaching? The way rookie QBs come in and contribute right away these days, there's no reason that a rookie QB can't be factor next season with solid pieces around him. A QB is absolutely critical, I made the point that I thought we should have even added two young QBs this past offseason, but in the meantime we are building a solid core around that position __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

10-17-2011, 07:10 PM	#59
SBXVII Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 7,766	Re: What's your take on our coaching? This is what it boils down to.... You bring in a young drafted talented QB and he gets mauled and trampled like Ramsey did with no OL. I think the coaching staff took the approach of getting the OL first in order to protect whoever they bring in next yr or whenever. Remember this team has been decimated over the yrs because the team failed to draft OL. There was a strong need to get young talent on this team and get them NFL ready. I think the coaching is fine and to me 100x better then years past. This coming from a Gibbs1/2 era fan. Some of you have issue's with the play calls and you have to realize what we got.... MS is a run first to set up the pass, but MS is not the OC. KS is a pass first to set up the run which made the Texans succesfull. The Skins problem is they don't have a decent QB and decent WR's. Pretty bad that AA is our only deep threat and he's injured. Moss is no longer the deep threat, Gaffney is awesome in short to intermediate routes but acts like 50/50 on the deep routes. Is anyone coaching up Hankerson to get him on the field sometime this year? or are they just letting him sit back and try to figure it all out himself? and as Smoot said.... play Austin more.

10-17-2011, 07:15 PM	#60
Mechanix544 The Starter Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Fort Bliss, TX Posts: 2,277	Re: What's your take on our coaching? To tell you the truth, I am getting kind of worried if we can expect this kind of playcalling all season, as well as the personnel moves and clock mismanagment.

What's your take on our coaching?

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