Camp Battles- The journey to 53

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by SkinzWin

I'm surprised so many people in the survey picked Sellers and Stallworth.

Well it's The Post so there are much more casual fans and name recognition will go a long ways.

[saden1]

Banks isn't going anywhere....believe that.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by saden1

Banks isn't going anywhere....believe that.

His only contribution to the team is as a punt returner and he's injured half the time. He's so small and fragile his NFL career will be no more than 4 years, if that. He's not worth the roster spot, not at the expense of another player who will be able to contribute on special teams and offense or defense for years to come.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

His only contribution to the team is as a punt returner and he's injured half the time. He's so small and fragile his NFL career will be no more than 4 years, if that. He's not worth the roster spot, not at the expense of another player who will be able to contribute on special teams and offense or defense for years to come.

Even if you're arguing that Niles Paul should have a bigger impact than Banks, I think any player (exception to Banks) who can't crack our top five receivers isn't in the long term plans anyway. So as a sixth receiver punt returning specialist who has little long term upside, Banks is exactly the kind of player you keep in that spot over a ninth lineman anyway.

It's not Niles Paul vs. Brandon Banks, it's the Erik Cook/Mo Hurt loser vs. Banks. Because they didn't keep nine linemen last year (they almost did, but they were a lot deeper last year), you can probably figure out which way they are going there.

The problem with the way the roster as constructed is that theres too many veterans at receiver to keep anyone who should be kept. Stallworth could always get Armstrong's spot as the 3rd WR, but assuming that he doesn't have all that realistic of a shot to take that, he was essentially forced off the roster at the point when we signed Moss and traded for Gaffney. Hankerson is a lock. And Austin is probably the 5th guy. If Paul is more in the long term plans than Austin, I have no doubt he'll make the roster over him, and TA will be a surprise cut. But because I'm not convinced there is a long term plan for Paul, I can't see him making the roster w/o an injury to Austin or Armstrong.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

I don't think banks and Paul are battling for 6th wr; they're battling for 5th. I don't see stallworth in our plans.

[Bucket]

If Austin doesn't make the team ill be depressed.. he showed sparks last year when he got a chance, and has shown sparks in the preseason when given the chance.

[Kindoy]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

His only contribution to the team is as a punt returner and he's injured half the time. He's so small and fragile his NFL career will be no more than 4 years, if that. He's not worth the roster spot, not at the expense of another player who will be able to contribute on special teams and offense or defense for years to come.

you coulda said the same thing to the Bears about Hester when they made their super bowl run. Hester was still a corner then... think he contributed anything besides returning then?

[Swarley]

Originally Posted by Bucket

If Austin doesn't make the team ill be depressed.. he showed sparks last year when he got a chance, and has shown sparks in the preseason when given the chance.

I'm with you, he definitely deserves a real shot on this team.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

This is a thread to discuss our many camp batlles.


Beck Vs. Grossman

Running backs

WR's

Let's talk camp battles and how things are progressing.

I think the Skins should keep both Royster and Helu. I would go with

Hightower
Helu
Royster
Torian - get's hurt too often.

Young
Williams

I would drop Sellars.

Wideouts

Terrance Austin over Banks

QB - Doesn't matter to me. Which ever of the two that can win games. Tired of have QB problems every single year.

WR - Moss, Armstrong, Gaffney, Austin, Paul, Hankerson.
RB - Hightower, Helu, Torain. (you can't let Torain go, he ran so good last year and he'll be ready for the season opener. His injury was not his hamstring, or knee and I believe if it was the regular season, he may have found a way to play)
FB - Young
TE - Sellers. I think you have to find a spot for Sellers. He can play multiple positions, FB, RB(goalline if needed) TE, and he is a beast at special teams (which he takes tremendous pride in)

OL - Capers, Hicks i think should stay. Hicks has the familiarity and Capers having experience in that style of offense from his days at WVU, I think can play in this style of offense. Sinclair could make a case too.

I am also hoping Riley gets the starting nod beside fletcher. He has to play to learn, we can't keep him on the bench. Too much natural instinctive talent to waste.

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by Kindoy

you coulda said the same thing to the Bears about Hester when they made their super bowl run. Hester was still a corner then... think he contributed anything besides returning then?

you just compare a hall of fame returner to banks?

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

So you you have Gnomes making the team over Horton? I can live with that. Horton really hasn't been the same from a couple of years ago when he was racking up interceptions and then later got injured.

It would be nice if all the Huskers made the active roster.

I said it then and I will say it now. Those picks and recoveries were "look what I found" instances and were not predicated on any particular skill or anything that he was doing aside from executing the play. He got lucky. Players of much better talent have not recieved that amount of luck in such a short time frame.

[freddyg12]

Banks to IR would make some decisions easier for the coaches. I think if his knee isn't good by the 4th preseason game, he might be headed to IR. If Banks can get healthy though, he's certainly worth keeping for his return ability. I look at it this way, there are players that have a position but essentially only see time on special teams, like Banks. As a 5th or 6th wr, Banks doesn't need to play wr much if at all.

Special teams to me will determine whether this team is above 500 or not. All things equal I don't expect any better than 7 or 8 wins this year, but if Gano improves by 10-15% & Banks has the same impact as last year when he was healthy, we could be a winner.

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

QB - Doesn't matter to me. Which ever of the two that can win games. Tired of have QB problems every single year.

WR - Moss, Armstrong, Gaffney, Austin, Paul, Hankerson.
RB - Hightower, Helu, Torain. (you can't let Torain go, he ran so good last year and he'll be ready for the season opener. His injury was not his hamstring, or knee and I believe if it was the regular season, he may have found a way to play)
FB - Young
TE - Sellers. I think you have to find a spot for Sellers. He can play multiple positions, FB, RB(goalline if needed) TE, and he is a beast at special teams (which he takes tremendous pride in)

OL - Capers, Hicks i think should stay. Hicks has the familiarity and Capers having experience in that style of offense from his days at WVU, I think can play in this style of offense. Sinclair could make a case too.

I am also hoping Riley gets the starting nod beside fletcher. He has to play to learn, we can't keep him on the bench. Too much natural instinctive talent to waste.

I will give you the teams play is solid but he is old and we are looking to get younger. I think Logan Paulsen is a really good TE and should make the team.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Angry

I said it then and I will say it now. Those picks and recoveries were "look what I found" instances and were not predicated on any particular skill or anything that he was doing aside from executing the play. He got lucky. Players of much better talent have not recieved that amount of luck in such a short time frame.

It has been 2 years since I last heard Horton's name on the field. He is as good as gone. Unless Gnomes is sent to the practice squad. One advantage Horton does have is that he's pretty big and physical and in a 3-4 defense that's a must for a strong safty.

[diehardskin2982]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

Banks to IR would make some decisions easier for the coaches. I think if his knee isn't good by the 4th preseason game, he might be headed to IR.

Good point, they can shelve him for a year and he will be fresh next year when the league takes away that rule that deminishes his role.