Currently Rostered Players Who Should be on the Redskins in 2011

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by newticketholder

Does anybody think they will go out and get T.O or R.Moss. i wouldn't put it past them

With Cerrato and X coach, yes. With Bruce and Shanny, nopers.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by newticketholder

Does anybody think they will go out and get T.O or R.Moss. i wouldn't put it past them

I think at this point absolutely not. Id bring in Vincent Jackson or draft AJ Green and extend our own Moss which I think he would be a reasonable price. Moss and TO want top money...which is laughable IMO.

[SFREDSKIN]

This guys should be on the roster for 2011:

Offense

QB-Grossman, Beck (trade McNabb)
RB-Williams, Torain, Davis, Portis (as a 3rd down back and reduced contract)
FB-Young
WR-Moss, Banks, Austin, Armstrong, Kelly
TE-Cooley, Paulsen (Trade Davis if possible)
OL-TWilliams, Lichtensteiger, Montgomery, Heyer, Cook, MWilliams (if he can come back) Brown (if he can sign a reasonable contract) Capers.
LS-Sundberg or upgrade

Defense

DL-Bryant, Carriker, Golston, Rob Jackson, Jarmon Trade Haynesworth
LB- Orakpo, Alexander, Wilson, Riley, Fletcher, McIntosh, Helton, (trade Blades if possible)
S-Landry, Moore, Russell, Doughty, Horton
CB-Rogers, Barnes, Westbrook, (trade Hall while he has value being voted to pro-bowl and his big contract) Sign CBailey if possible.
K-Gano
P-find one

[Paintrain]

Here's who I want back from the intended direction of the thread (non free agents at their current contract rates):

Kevin Barnes
DeAngelo Hall
LaRon Landry
Brian Orakpo
Lorenzo Alexander
Anthony Bryant
Jeremy Jarmon
Adam Carriker
Graham Gano
Trent Williams
Kory Lichtensteiger
Will Montgomery
Artis Hicks
Chris Cooley
Fred Davis
Logan Paulsen
Anthony Armstrong
Brandon Banks
Ryan Torrain
Keiland Williams
Rob Jackson
Terrence Austin
Perry Riley
Mike Williams
Erik Cook
Selvish Capers
John Beck
Kareem Moore (as a backup)

I think it's time to move past the Portis era in DC. I don't know if Torrain is a 16 game starting RB or if we find someone to pair with him but I've seen enough to know that I'm good with him on the roster and rotation next year. People forget Mike Williams signed a 3 year contract extension before having to miss the season with his heart ailment. If they have that resolved, he could be a valuable piece of the OL as a G or backup T.

On the defensive side, I would be fine with a complete (other than Orakpo) overhaul of our LB corp. Fletcher isn't really suited for the 3-4 and McIntosh isn't either. Riley has shown some flashes both positive and negative but he goes full speed and will learn by experience. Our DL needs a revamp also but if we went into 2011 with Bryant and Carriker as 2 starters it wouldn't be the end of the world. In the secondary, bring back Hall and Landry (from this list) and fill in the rest. I've got 28 coming back, only 2 (Bryant & M. Williams) 30 or older.

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Here's who I want back from the intended direction of the thread (non free agents at their current contract rates):

Kevin Barnes
DeAngelo Hall
LaRon Landry
Brian Orakpo
Lorenzo Alexander
Anthony Bryant
Jeremy Jarmon
Adam Carriker
Graham Gano
Trent Williams
Kory Lichtensteiger
Will Montgomery
Artis Hicks
Chris Cooley
Fred Davis
Logan Paulsen
Anthony Armstrong
Brandon Banks
Ryan Torrain
Keiland Williams
Rob Jackson
Terrence Austin
Perry Riley
Mike Williams
Erik Cook
Selvish Capers
John Beck
Kareem Moore (as a backup)

I think it's time to move past the Portis era in DC. I don't know if Torrain is a 16 game starting RB or if we find someone to pair with him but I've seen enough to know that I'm good with him on the roster and rotation next year. People forget Mike Williams signed a 3 year contract extension before having to miss the season with his heart ailment. If they have that resolved, he could be a valuable piece of the OL as a G or backup T.

On the defensive side, I would be fine with a complete (other than Orakpo) overhaul of our LB corp. Fletcher isn't really suited for the 3-4 and McIntosh isn't either. Riley has shown some flashes both positive and negative but he goes full speed and will learn by experience. Our DL needs a revamp also but if we went into 2011 with Bryant and Carriker as 2 starters it wouldn't be the end of the world. In the secondary, bring back Hall and Landry (from this list) and fill in the rest. I've got 28 coming back, only 2 (Bryant & M. Williams) 30 or older.

So realistically how do you propose we fill 25 spots that have been cut to make our 53 man roster? I realize we need to purge a lot of the roster we currently have but making that many sweeping changes is absurd. We would be worse than we were this year.

When Raheem Morris overhauled the Bucs they released linebackers Derrick Brooks and Cato June, wide receivers Joey Galloway and Ike Hilliard, and running back Warrick Dunn. All over the age of 30. At the time people crapped on the move saying they would have no leadership and veteran experience. We do need to cut a lot of the older players. But not just about EVERY player. Look at the Bucs now, making a playoff run...

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by SkinzWin

So realistically how do you propose we fill 25 spots that have been cut to make our 53 man roster? I realize we need to purge a lot of the roster we currently have but making that many sweeping changes is absurd. We would be worse than we were this year.

When Raheem Morris overhauled the Bucs they released linebackers Derrick Brooks and Cato June, wide receivers Joey Galloway and Ike Hilliard, and running back Warrick Dunn. All over the age of 30. At the time people crapped on the move saying they would have no leadership and veteran experience. We do need to cut a lot of the older players. But not just about EVERY player. Look at the Bucs now, making a playoff run...

If you read the top of my post AND the OP, the question was who would you bring back next year at their current contract number. My list doesn't include players that are free agents that I would want to bring back (Rex, Moss, Holliday, Jammal Brown, Heyer, Golston, Wilson, Buchanon) or Kelly who is on the IR. That's 9 more players up to 36. You figure we are going to be aggressive in free agency and add 4-8 more players plus adding in 7 (or more) draft picks, there you go. No-one is talking about a tear down to scraps and build from there, although looking at Tampa and KC makes me more willing to consider it!

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

If you read the top of my post AND the OP, the question was who would you bring back next year at their current contract number. My list doesn't include players that are free agents that I would want to bring back (Rex, Moss, Holliday, Jammal Brown, Heyer, Golston, Wilson, Buchanon) or Kelly who is on the IR. That's 9 more players up to 36. You figure we are going to be aggressive in free agency and add 4-8 more players plus adding in 7 (or more) draft picks, there you go. No-one is talking about a tear down to scraps and build from there, although looking at Tampa and KC makes me more willing to consider it!

We're going to have to build from the bare bones eventually whether we want to or not considering that we constantly eschew the least costly method of obtaining talent(Holding onto HIGH round picks) for "sure things" that are actually risky and do not allow for mulligans like the least costly method does. You flame out on a 2nd rounder. Fine. Next year you can pick again and you may still get solid depth or allow or cut the guy and UDFA/low rounder a chance. You flame out on McNabb, Jason Taylor, etc and you aren't even left with a depth player and could have filled the roster spot with a cheap UDFA or role-player from FA for the same amount of production.

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

If you read the top of my post AND the OP, the question was who would you bring back next year at their current contract number. My list doesn't include players that are free agents that I would want to bring back (Rex, Moss, Holliday, Jammal Brown, Heyer, Golston, Wilson, Buchanon) or Kelly who is on the IR. That's 9 more players up to 36. You figure we are going to be aggressive in free agency and add 4-8 more players plus adding in 7 (or more) draft picks, there you go. No-one is talking about a tear down to scraps and build from there, although looking at Tampa and KC makes me more willing to consider it!

Yep, failed to see that tidbit. Still would be a big undertaking. I'm not saying you're wrong. We do need a big overhaul.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

We're going to have to build from the bare bones eventually whether we want to or not considering that we constantly eschew the least costly method of obtaining talent(Holding onto HIGH round picks) for "sure things" that are actually risky and do not allow for mulligans like the least costly method does. You flame out on a 2nd rounder. Fine. Next year you can pick again and you may still get solid depth or allow or cut the guy and UDFA/low rounder a chance. You flame out on McNabb, Jason Taylor, etc and you aren't even left with a depth player and could have filled the roster spot with a cheap UDFA or role-player from FA for the same amount of production.

Well HIGH draft picks aren't really 'least costly method'. The least costly method is by hitting in the 3rd and 4th round where you are typically drafting for depth and you find starters. Also by sourcing and signing undrafted free agents. For example I heard Mark Dominick on radio earlier this week saying they looked at the undrafted FA this year as their '2nd draft' considering players like LeGarrette Blount a secondary draft pick. He said they scouted deeply the 2010 draft for impact players beyond the 7 rounds.

[Skins4L]

Originally Posted by Jontrem

So we would need to draft/sign 38 players? Actually way more than that to fill out a training camp roster. We CAN'T just dump everyone and try to start over, we dont have enough draft picks to do anything approaching this. Please do not give me the whole trade Haynesworth, DM and Cooley for draft picks. Out of those only Cooley would get us anything above a 4th.

This is going to take a few years to get right, and that is only if Shanny/Allen is the right duo to do this. If you aren't on board for that then that's fine, no one is saying you have to watch them rebuild. Feel free to hop off the bandwagon until they are good again. This mini rant is directed at you really either but at the mind set that we somehow need to be a playoff team next year.

As for a list of players we need to keep, I will leave that to the people who are far more familiar with the back up talent on this team than I am. Anyway thats my $.02

lol u typed this all to me?

if u had ne idea who u were talkin to.
bro its obvious were gonna hold more than my list but RESPECTIVELY these are the guys who proved theyre worthy of being a Washington Redskin.

dont tell me "NOT ON BOARD"!
dont explain me anything either bro i know the whole deal.
go reply to someone else comment with ur 2 cents bro its worth nuthing here.

[Skins4L]

Originally Posted by Jontrem

So we would need to draft/sign 38 players? Actually way more than that to fill out a training camp roster. We CAN'T just dump everyone and try to start over, we dont have enough draft picks to do anything approaching this. Please do not give me the whole trade Haynesworth, DM and Cooley for draft picks. Out of those only Cooley would get us anything above a 4th.

This is going to take a few years to get right, and that is only if Shanny/Allen is the right duo to do this. If you aren't on board for that then that's fine, no one is saying you have to watch them rebuild. Feel free to hop off the bandwagon until they are good again. This mini rant is directed at you really either but at the mind set that we somehow need to be a playoff team next year.

As for a list of players we need to keep, I will leave that to the people who are far more familiar with the back up talent on this team than I am. Anyway thats my $.02

I cant believe this clown came at me with a "bandwagon/on board" ordeal. if fact bro... i dont want YOU to be around as we rebuild.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Well HIGH draft picks aren't really 'least costly method'. The least costly method is by hitting in the 3rd and 4th round where you are typically drafting for depth and you find starters. Also by sourcing and signing undrafted free agents. For example I heard Mark Dominick on radio earlier this week saying they looked at the undrafted FA this year as their '2nd draft' considering players like LeGarrette Blount a secondary draft pick. He said they scouted deeply the 2010 draft for impact players beyond the 7 rounds.

I consider high round picks to be 3rd round picks and higher.
In terms of the probability of grabbing "sustainable" talent at "impact positions"(NT, elite pass rusher, LT, WRs) at reasonable prices, the 1st three rounds have best probability in getting all of that. We've had first rounders pan out just fine, but we have usually either traded away our 2nd rounders or bombed on them for since Gibbs II at the very least.

At least we have kept our mitts tightly on those 3rd round picks after Gibbs II's horrible management of the 3rd round picks. While Rhinehart has tanked, there is still hope for Barnes and Jarmon.

Obviously, we need to raid practice squads and UDFA great, good, and decent bargains. But Shanahan showed his true with regards to rebuilding __at least for this year__ when he committed roster spot after roster spot to Larry Johnson, Galloway, etc. As a result, he did not give himself the opportunity to grab younger and "longer-lasting" talent. Instead, they were nabbed by other teams.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I agree with you that in a world of perfect knowledge, Fletcher is a hall of fame caliber linebacker. But the flawed methodology used by a lot of hall of fame voters relies heavily on pro bowls and all-pro votes. And, perhaps wrongly, Fletcher didn't collect a lot of those otherwise meaningless awards. So he won't get down to a hall of fame finalists list.

But this guy has had a fantastic career, and his consecutive starts streak is more impressive than that of any quarterback. And as far as pure effectiveness goes, he's more effective now than Brett Favre was at a similar point in his career.

GTripp:

The "flawed methodoloogy" also relies heavily on winning - - expeciallly when it comes to QBs on offense and MLBs on defense. Fletcher's years in Buffalo and Washington will not help his cause for the HoF - - unless he breaks Favre's record for consecutive starts.

Go look at the MLBs - - or the OLBs in a 3-4 alignment - - who are in the Hall of Fame now. Is Fletcher really as good as any of them? I don't think so...

[irish]

For all those who think Portis should come back in a diminished role at a reduced salary, CP says in today's examiner that he wants to come back with the Skins but he's not looking to take a pay cut, he wants a raise.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by irish

For all those who think Portis should come back in a diminished role at a reduced salary, CP says in today's examiner that he wants to come back with the Skins but he's not looking to take a pay cut, he wants a raise.

He's in for a rude awakening once the market sets his price.