Tebow or McCoy?

Son Of Man · 03-29-2010, 09:57 PM

I have a clear record as a McCoy supporter so my choice would be the UT star. However, I would trust Shanny and support the drafting of Tim Tebow (alot of upside).

GusFrerotte · 03-29-2010, 10:08 PM

We should keep JC through 2011 and draft Mallet or Keenum from Houston since we have a nice down the field system in the works with Kyle.

CRedskinsRule · 03-29-2010, 10:11 PM

But can we get Ramsey?

Dirtbag59 · 03-29-2010, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Don't believe the hype. They thought Carr and Harrington were the shit. Don't get me going about Leinart!!!!!! Tebow is only great when playing the likes of Vandy, OLe Miss, or Florida Atlantic. Other than that he is an above average QB.

Leinart would have been great if it wasn't for his party habits. He still has a chance to be a top flight QB, but I'm surprised as anyone at how much he's flopped over the last few years.

GMScud · 03-29-2010, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

My faith in the chosen one shall protect me. You on the other hand should know full well what to expect just pray the mighty Tebow makes it quick.

Still smarter then going against the chosen one. Tebow is the football savior, the great white hope, and whatever else his heart desires. All those Chuck Norris jokes were originally Tebow facts, but because his highness is so humble he decided to save the career of Chuck Norris.

LMAO!! And SmootSmack, how dare you pick Dolt McCoy over SuperMan!!

Did you know that crop circles weren't made by aliens? They are Tim Tebow's way of telling corn that sometimes it needs to lay the eff down.

I would take Tebow in a heartbeat over Colt for reasons I've stated ad nauseum.

wolfeskins · 03-29-2010, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Don't believe the hype. They thought Carr and Harrington were the shit. Don't get me going about Leinart!!!!!! Tebow is only great when playing the likes of Vandy, OLe Miss, or Florida Atlantic. Other than that he is an above average QB.

well that right there makes him an upgrade over campbell.

Slingin Sammy 33 · 03-29-2010, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Here's how they rate in key statistical categories compared to QBs drafted in the last five years, and QBs in this draft class:

Tebow
QB Starts = Strong
Completion % = Above Average
TD Rate = Elite
INT Rate = Elite
Sack Rate = Average
Career variance = Above Average

McCoy
QB Starts = Elite
Completion % = Elite
TD Rate = Above Average
INT Rate = Average
Sack Rate = Above Average
Career variance = Elite

For comparison

Bradford
QB Starts = Average
Completion % = Strong
TD Rate = Elite
INT Rate = Elite
Sack Rate = Elite
Career variance = Below Average

Clausen
QB Starts = Above Average
Completion % = Average
TD Rate = Average
INT Rate = Above Average
Sack Rate = Weak
Career variance = Average

Caviet: TD and INT rates usually don't translate well to the pros. My reasoning: team effects and offensive systems can generate a lot of TD/INT production that isn't really due to the quarterback.

Are these career numbers or most recent year numbers?

GTripp0012 · 03-29-2010, 10:49 PM

Full career only.

Pocket$ $traight · 03-29-2010, 11:19 PM

I can't vote for either. I don't think Tebow will be ready to start for a team in '11.

30gut · 03-29-2010, 11:44 PM

If McCoy erases the doubts about his arm strength at his pro-day i'll take McCoy.

But, the round we take them matters alot imo.

GusFrerotte · 03-29-2010, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Leinart would have been great if it wasn't for his party habits. He still has a chance to be a top flight QB, but I'm surprised as anyone at how much he's flopped over the last few years.

All of the overhyped guys are very good QBs Dirtbag, I am just saying they are not gods, and since they tend to play for powerhouse teams in conferences not known for parity they can't handle parity as well as say the very good QBs from above average to average teams. That is why I have been pushing for the "second tier" guys to be looked at by our FO. Those guys have done pretty well facing teams on their talent level or higher. Leinart was a big partier, but his teams could have beaten the low level NFL teams probably like Detroit, Oakland, and Cleveland. Tebow blew chunks facing Bama, and McCoy was simply MIA against Bama for the title. Bradford is the same also. I would hate for us to get one of these guys with a first round pick and he busts and say Dallas or Philly take a gamble with a second tier guy and they get a new franchise QB. We can't afford another Shuler/Ramsey incident or we are in for a long rebuilding effort by Shanny and Allen.

GusFrerotte · 03-29-2010, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by wolfeskins

well that right there makes him an upgrade over campbell.

JC was 14th in passing yards with a crappy team around him. Tebow had a stacked team around him in Florida. What happened at the end when the Gators played another stacked team( the only other real strong team in the SEC) for the SEC title? Tebow choked then cried like a mama's boy.

GMScud · 03-30-2010, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

JC was 14th in passing yards with a crappy team around him. Tebow had a stacked team around him in Florida. What happened at the end when the Gators played another stacked team( the only other real strong team in the SEC) for the SEC title? Tebow choked then cried like a mama's boy.

LOL. He dominated the SEC his entire time at Florida. What happened in the SEC Championship game the year before when they stomped on that same Bama team (almost all starters returned)? Tebow did have a stacked team around him, and proceeded to break tons of records and dominate like no other player in college history. You reference one game and condemn him on that. Pretty funny, in a sad kind of way. How many other times did he put the Gators on his back in crunch time and lead them to wins?

Is JC a better pro QB than Tebow? Of course he is right now. Is your argument laughable? No question.

GusFrerotte · 03-30-2010, 12:15 AM

Dude he had the #1 rushing offense and a huge offensive line around him in '09. What more can you ask for? It begs the question many had about JC. Was he good on his own or was it because he had two first round RBs lining up behind him. And yes Florida was stacked with talent compared to the likes of Florida Atlantic, Vandy, Ole Miss, Tenn, S Carolina, Miss St, etc. Most of the major conferences had sort of a down year in terms of competition for the conference titles. Only the two teams that went to the championship game were really the only ones in contention the entire season(PAC 10 was a bit exciting the last 3 weeks). You want Tebow you can have him. He is a project at best.

GMScud · 03-30-2010, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Dude he had the #1 rushing offense and a huge offensive line around him in '09. What more can you ask for? It begs the question many had about JC. Was he good on his own or was it because he had two first round RBs lining up behind him. And yes Florida was stacked with talent compared to the likes of Florida Atlantic, Vandy, Ole Miss, Tenn, S Carolina, Miss St, etc. Most of the major conferences had sort of a down year in terms of competition for the conference titles. Only the two teams that went to the championship game were really the only ones in contention the entire season(PAC 10 was a bit exciting the last 3 weeks). You want Tebow you can have him. He is a project at best.

The #1 rushing offense? Damn right. Did you really just use rushing offense as an excuse for his success? Man that's hilarious, considering Tebow has more rushing TD's than any player in SEC history. He was a bigger part of the rushing offense than any of the Florida RBs. Instead of saying he "had the best rushing offense," maybe you should re-phrase and say he "was the best rushing offense." In addition to all the passing TDs that is.

Ole Miss, Arkansas, Georgia, Bama, South Carolina, and LSU were all pretty strong last season. Hell, LSU had won 30+ straight night games in Baton Rouge until Tebow showed up last fall. The SEC has had better years, but they are still the bell cow conference in college football, and he still dominated. But, like the typical Tebow hater, all you can do is reference the one game vs. Bama and mock him for crying. Coaches bend over backwards to find leaders who care that much.

Quick question- why did you mention Florida Atlantic???

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03-29-2010, 09:57 PM	#46
Son Of Man Impact Rookie Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Ellicott City, MD Posts: 643	Re: Tebow or McCoy? I have a clear record as a McCoy supporter so my choice would be the UT star. However, I would trust Shanny and support the drafting of Tim Tebow (alot of upside). __________________ RG3 or bust!!!!!!!!!!

03-29-2010, 10:08 PM	#47
GusFrerotte Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Detroit area Posts: 4,153	Re: Tebow or McCoy? We should keep JC through 2011 and draft Mallet or Keenum from Houston since we have a nice down the field system in the works with Kyle.

03-29-2010, 10:11 PM	#48
CRedskinsRule Living Legend Join Date: Aug 2008 Age: 57 Posts: 21,380	Re: Tebow or McCoy? But can we get Ramsey?

03-29-2010, 10:49 PM	#53
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 36 Posts: 15,994	Re: Tebow or McCoy? Full career only. __________________ according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

03-29-2010, 11:19 PM	#54
Pocket$ $traight Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Fairfax, VA Age: 48 Posts: 4,261	Re: Tebow or McCoy? I can't vote for either. I don't think Tebow will be ready to start for a team in '11.

03-29-2010, 11:44 PM	#55
30gut Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 3,323	Re: Tebow or McCoy? If McCoy erases the doubts about his arm strength at his pro-day i'll take McCoy. But, the round we take them matters alot imo.

03-30-2010, 12:15 AM	#59
GusFrerotte Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Detroit area Posts: 4,153	Re: Tebow or McCoy? Dude he had the #1 rushing offense and a huge offensive line around him in '09. What more can you ask for? It begs the question many had about JC. Was he good on his own or was it because he had two first round RBs lining up behind him. And yes Florida was stacked with talent compared to the likes of Florida Atlantic, Vandy, Ole Miss, Tenn, S Carolina, Miss St, etc. Most of the major conferences had sort of a down year in terms of competition for the conference titles. Only the two teams that went to the championship game were really the only ones in contention the entire season(PAC 10 was a bit exciting the last 3 weeks). You want Tebow you can have him. He is a project at best.

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