QB Poll

[Brute44]

Originally Posted by NY_Skinsfan

Did you ever think this may be due to the fact that the offense keeps starting the second half with 3 and outs. The defense is tired. If the offense can stay on the field a little longer the defense will have fresh legs.

Gee, I never thought of that. I guess the Time Of Possion which was by the way, Redskins 34:01/Bears 25:59 shows that the Redskins had so many 3 and outs that they held the ball 8 minutes longer.

[wbecker999]

Hassleback is a gamer, Ramsey is the sack king , Brunell sucks

[memphisskin]

I vote for Brunell. I guess the guys who voted for Ramsey must be hoping that the Ramsey we'll get is not the guy who played against the Giants. I totally agree that Brunell is killing us, but so far when Ramsey got a chance this year he stunk even more than Brunell. I know he might be better than he showed in that game, but no one can say that out of what we've seen this year Ramsey is a better choice than Brunell. I guess maybe if you go by career stats in a Redskin jersey then Ramsey might be a better choice, but I don't think Brunell just suddenly forgot how to play football. I think the entire offense has been out of sync, 6 of 16 third down conversions against the Bears?

I saw all the overthrows, the out of bounds throws, the throws to no one in particular, and the tipped pass that was returned for a touchdown, and the miss on a wide open Coles. I saw it and thought "Brunell sucks" but if he won the job in an open competition in pre-season to switch now because we "think" someone else might be better means that we've become a lot more impatient under Snyder. Let Gibbs work out the kinks, and we all believe that he's going to do it. My guess is that the guys who are calling for Ramsey think that PR can turn the passing game around and lead us to the playoffs. But what has PR shown THIS YEAR to make anyone believe that?

[MTK]

I've still never heard anyone defend Hasselbeck's 0.00 rating in a game last year.

If Hasselbeck gets in the season is really over.

[Defensewins]

I have been disappointed in Brunell's play as well, but..
Gibbs does not replace Brunnell because Ramsey has not proved on the field that he is ready, period. I think you Ramsey fans have your beer goggles on when you see or talk about Ramsey. Ramsey is not yet as great as you think he is.
Ramsey has a powerful arm and great potential, but he does not think well on his feet. Ramsey gets sacked ALOT, holds on to the ball too long and does not read defenses well. Yes Ramsey throws a great deep ball, but that is about it. You can't live on the deep ball alone, defenses will just take that away and Ramsey will get impatient and start throwing interceptions or get saked, just like he did in the Giants game. I know all of you QB experts think the long ball will solve all of our Offense's problems, it will help but it is not the main problem. The bigger problem (beside the poor QB play) is the inconsistent play of the offensive line. Once the O-line starts blocking with some authority the rest of the offense will play better. Someone earlier in this thread pointed to the Vikings offense as great. The Vikings offensive line is playing like the best in the NFL right now. They have a 3rd or 4th string rookie running back starting right now, and he is running at will. Even with Randy Moss hurt, the Vikings running game is powerful.

[That Guy]

how ironic defensewins, you say the long ball won't solve our problems and then point to the vikings running game... which is just about the greatest proof that long balls would solve all our problems...

their running game is good cause their QB can make the 40-50 yard passes on a regular basis, so you can't stack the line...

[SkinsRock]

The poll question is who we think should start, so it's Ramsey...no question. But, Gibbs will not make the switch, especially after a win, no matter how bad Brunell played. Portis and the D basically saved Brunell's job for him.
The point is not that everyone thinks that Ramsey is that much better, but the fact that he can't be much worse. Ramsey has had what, less than 1 half of action, and was playing from behind trying to create something, and he failed. So what? Brunell had a great half against Dallas, but it wasn't quite good enough was it? Nope. One of the big things about Brunell was supposed to be his accuracy, but it has been practically non-existant. Let Ramsey practice will the 1st team and play, and we'll see what happens. That's all we ask. Brunell has been personally responsible for 4 scores by the opposing defense, two of which we overcame (thanks to the D), and two we didn't. All games have been won or lost by a TD or less, so that is the difference of 2-4 and 4-2. Lets just see what the "future of the Redskins" can do...

[Gmanc711]

Heres the difference, even if Ramsey is just as bad as Brunell, at least hes trying to build somthing and gain experiance. Brunell is going no where in his career, he had a tremendous career. Hell he proboly falls into the second catagory of the best qbs ever to play the game ( the first catagory are your Montanas, Elways and Marinos). The fact is, his career is just about over. Putting Ramsey in there at least gains him some experiance so he can hopefully lead this team next year. If he goes in and lays an egg, at least it tells us we have to go in a different direction @ QB. I do think Ramsey will be successful in the NFL, hopefully with the Washington Redskins!

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by That Guy

how ironic defensewins, you say the long ball won't solve our problems and then point to the vikings running game... which is just about the greatest proof that long balls would solve all our problems...

their running game is good cause their QB can make the 40-50 yard passes on a regular basis, so you can't stack the line...

That Guy,
Re-read my post, I said 'the long ball will help, but will not solve ALL of our offensive problems'.
The Vikings offensive line is protecting Culpepper, he has time to step up and throw. Also if you watched the Vikings game, you would have seen even in short yardage situations, the Seahawks "stacked the line" and played short yardage defense (8-9 men in the box) the Vikings offensive line still pushed the seahawk defense back and got first downs. The Viking line is big and impressive.
Our offensive line is not impressive at this point. They are not giving our QB's time and they are not getting done in short yardage this year.
Thats all. The long ball is not the only thing wrong with our offense. While it will help in regular offense sitations, it will not help in goal line and short yard, where we have been also seriously lacking.

[JWsleep]

The long ball is mising from our offense. But that isn't the killer, as far as I'm concerned. What' missing is the 12-15 yard out and the 12-15 yard curl/middle. We have no IN BETWEEN passing game either, and that is a killer. And that is beacues either Brunnell lacks the armstrength to throw this or lacks the accuracy or reads to hit it. And he doesn't need all day to throw this pass. He just doesn't, or very rarely.

I doub't very very much that Gibbs will take our advice, but it's time to go with Ramsey, and to let him get used to this offense. Brunnell led the offense to 13 points and gave up 7 on an INT. Ramsey can do that. ANd maybe he can do better. It's time!

[Duffman003]

last year patrick got sacked a lot because of spurrier's scheme, he had maybe 2.5 seconds or something rediculous in the pocket. Burnell is having like 5 or even 6 seconds in the pocket. and has a longer time of getting rid of the ball too. The only thing I believe Burnell has on Ramsey is experience so he can read defenses better, but if Ramsey has the time he will have the ability to break down defenses as well.

[Riggo44]

All I want is a pass over 30 yrds! Wich Mark can't seem to do.
I hope we put Ramsey in.

[4TH RING]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I've still never heard anyone defend Hasselbeck's 0.00 rating in a game last year.

If Hasselbeck gets in the season is really over.

Yeah I believe that was the dallas game. It's not a very good thing to have your go to reciever play for the other team. (newman career high 3 ints)

[That Guy]

don't get me wrong, ramsey telegraphs plays, he's slower (but can run), and he doesn't seem as comfortable in the pocket (i wonder why...), isn't super awesome at reading defenses, and holds on trying to make a play... BUT he can throw deep, he can throw hard, and he can hit his targets...

brunell sucks in a lot more ways... either way, i wish we had big ben right now but since we don't i'd prefer ramsey.

[Brute44]

Originally Posted by That Guy

don't get me wrong, ramsey telegraphs plays, he's slower (but can run), and he doesn't seem as comfortable in the pocket (i wonder why...), isn't super awesome at reading defenses, and holds on trying to make a play... BUT he can throw deep, he can throw hard, and he can hit his targets...

brunell sucks in a lot more ways... either way, i wish we had big ben right now but since we don't i'd prefer ramsey.

Sure Ramsey can throw deep and hard and long, thats sounds so delicious doesn't it That Guy. In reality Brunell has thrown 3 INT's in 6 games and Ramsey threw 3 INT's in a half of play. Ramsey throws deep but unfortunately it's to the wrong colored jersey.