thread of reason

MTK · 10-05-2004, 07:10 PM

I agree CC, this team could easily be 4-0.

Turnovers have absolutely killed them (and a few bad calls against Dallas).

CrazyCanuck · 10-05-2004, 07:36 PM

Ya I tried not to blame the penalties but that Dallas game was a joke. In our home park no less!

PS - To the NFL - please don't fine a guy (Roy Williams) if you're not gonna throw the flag when it counts!

illdefined · 10-05-2004, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyCanuck

The way I see it - this team could very easily be 4-0. I'm sure most would agree with me. That's not to say that I think this team is elite, but I do think they are solid. Unfortunately with parity in the NFL, there are about 24 other teams in the same boat as the Skins.

When you are at this level your W-L will be ultimately be decided by how you do the "little things", and right now the Skins could not be worse in that department.

I really think if we can eliminate the turnovers and manage the clock a little better this team can go on a run and make the playoffs. But time is running out.

totally agree with you vs. the Giants and the Girls, but man, the Browns. they are bad and hurt, and our offense had no better defense to go up against and hone and gain some confidence. now we're going into Bmore's defense, and while i know we have the talent and the plays to win, im not sure we have the confidence or the juju. and if we lose ONE more game, even if its close, it will REALLY take a toll on the players and they wont truly WANT to execute. we need to show improvement N O W. get to the bye with some optimism.

CrazyCanuck · 10-05-2004, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by illdefined

if we lose ONE more game, even if its close, it will REALLY take a toll on the players and they wont truly WANT to execute. we need to show improvement N O W. get to the bye with some optimism.

Couldn't agree more. I think our 2004 fate will be decided in the next 2 games.

sportscurmudgeon · 10-05-2004, 09:14 PM

The team could be 4-0, but they are not. Were if's and but's candy and nuts oh what a Christmas there'd be.

They could also be 0-4, but they are not. Think about that possibility too...

The Redskins are what they are and that is a team that is not at the elite level of the NFL at this point and also not in the depths of the NFL either.

I'm not a fan of Vinny Cerato by any stretch of the imagination but this is not his fault.

I am frustrated by Matty's edict here that we use reason and logic in this thread:

I wanted to call for Don Breaux to be drawn and quartered and fed to the vultures just because it is obviously his white hair on the sidelines that is blinding the pass receivers and making them drop the ball.

I wanted to bash Bubba Tyrer for allowing Jon Jansen and LaVar Arrington to get hurt. What is he doing to to earn his keep here?

I wanted to suggest that the FO trade Sultan McCullough off the practice squad and cash in on his HoF potential and get Payton Manning, Marvin Harrison and next year's first and second round picks from Indy in return. And if they don't do that, then they should be boiled in mule snot. And they damned well better hurry up with that trade because the trade deadline is almost upon us.

I wanted to suggest that if the fans would just yell more everything would be just fine. Yeah, right...

I think that the Hogettes have to take some blame too. They are probably distracting to Joe Bugel because it reminds him about how a really talented offensive line can work and then he has to go and work with this bunch of no-account sorry-assed hominids.

And don't forget Danny Boy. He still looks like he has too much starch in his shorts and that has to be weighing on the players' minds as they go through their pregame stretching exercises.

Oh, did I mention the rumor that Joe Gibbs was actually kidnapped by space aliens and that his brain was replaced by Richie Kotite's? Yeah, well that too...

:confused:

CrazyCanuck · 10-05-2004, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyCanuck

Ya I tried not to blame the penalties but that Dallas game was a joke. In our home park no less!

What I meant to say was "I tried not to blame the REFS but that Dallas game was A JOKE."

RedskinRat · 10-05-2004, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

1. I think it's reasonable ...<SNIP>.

Come on, everyone knows how unreasonable you are. :cheeky-sm

That Guy · 10-05-2004, 10:40 PM

SC, you forgot jimoh and our new superstar, ryan clark.... how dare you.

MTK · 10-05-2004, 10:42 PM

SC with a classic post

Daseal · 10-05-2004, 10:46 PM

The over-inflation of these posts is incrediable. I don't think giving Ramsey a chance is too much of a stretch or a reasonable thing to try. I don't think Portis should be benched, nor do I think Coles should sit down unless he has a real medical problem that needs either rest or surgery. That doesn't mean that there aren't problems about the Redskins.

Let's all act like Matty. Hey guys, we're 4-0, playing flawless football. Superbowl here we come!

MTK · 10-05-2004, 11:14 PM

Daseal, I'm well aware that the Redskins have their share of problems right now.

I guess I'm just staying a bit more patient than others. But I haven't held back in handing out criticism of the team, I've said Portis isn't getting it done, Gardner is inconsistent, Ramsey isn't ready, Brunell isn't playing great, there have been gaffes in playcalling and time mgmt, etc.

I'm just saying let's try to stay level-headed about things. Cutting guys, benching them, firing people, etc., I mean c'mon, even Dan Snyder isn't this impatient or crazy.

SmootSmack · 10-05-2004, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Daseal

Let's all act like Matty. Hey guys, we're 4-0, playing flawless football. Superbowl here we come!

This reeks of sarcasm. Matty, I think this is a dig at you. Are you going to impose the infamous "Warpath Smart-A** Sanctions" on Daseal?

MTK · 10-05-2004, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by smootsmack

This reeks of sarcasm. Matty, I think this is a dig at you. Are you going to impose the infamous "Warpath Negativity Sanctions" on Daseal?

I can see where Daseal is coming from. I think the last 12 years of Redskins football has left alot of fans very jaded. The first sign of adversity and everyone runs for cover.

I don't remember how old you are Daseal but I'm guessing you're at least 10 years younger than me, so you probably don't really remember much about Gibbs' first run. If you've grown up with Norv, Marty and SS I guess I'd be pretty skeptical too.

SmootSmack · 10-05-2004, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I can see where Daseal is coming from. I think the last 12 years of Redskins football has left alot of fans very jaded. The first sign of adversity and everyone runs for cover.

I don't remember how old you are Daseal but I'm guessing you're at least 10 years younger than me, so you probably don't really remember much about Gibbs' first run. If you've grown up with Norv, Marty and SS I guess I'd be pretty skeptical too.

Damn you Matty and your calm, above the fray mentality!!!

I think Daseal just turned 21 this year. But I agree with you Matty. I remember Gibbs' first run but for those who didn't I understand the skepticism.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 10-05-2004, 11:52 PM

I do remember the Gibbs era and so I do have a TON of hope left in me. I think Gibbs will turn this thing around by the middle of the season (Week 8 or so). I also think that Gibbs can turn this thing around with Brunell at the helm.

HOWEVER, I do remember the Norv, Marty, and Steve eras quite well. I also do not believe that Brunell is our guy. I say let the ship get righted with Ramsey at the helm. Let Gibbs and Ramsey turn this around together. After all, Ramsey AND Gibbs are our long term solution, right? We're going to have to teach Ramsey sometime (unless you plan on keeping him on the bench) and I think that time is now while Gibbs is learning.

10-05-2004, 09:14 PM	#50
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	The team could be 4-0, but they are not. Were if's and but's candy and nuts oh what a Christmas there'd be. They could also be 0-4, but they are not. Think about that possibility too... The Redskins are what they are and that is a team that is not at the elite level of the NFL at this point and also not in the depths of the NFL either. I'm not a fan of Vinny Cerato by any stretch of the imagination but this is not his fault. I am frustrated by Matty's edict here that we use reason and logic in this thread: I wanted to call for Don Breaux to be drawn and quartered and fed to the vultures just because it is obviously his white hair on the sidelines that is blinding the pass receivers and making them drop the ball. I wanted to bash Bubba Tyrer for allowing Jon Jansen and LaVar Arrington to get hurt. What is he doing to to earn his keep here? I wanted to suggest that the FO trade Sultan McCullough off the practice squad and cash in on his HoF potential and get Payton Manning, Marvin Harrison and next year's first and second round picks from Indy in return. And if they don't do that, then they should be boiled in mule snot. And they damned well better hurry up with that trade because the trade deadline is almost upon us. I wanted to suggest that if the fans would just yell more everything would be just fine. Yeah, right... I think that the Hogettes have to take some blame too. They are probably distracting to Joe Bugel because it reminds him about how a really talented offensive line can work and then he has to go and work with this bunch of no-account sorry-assed hominids. And don't forget Danny Boy. He still looks like he has too much starch in his shorts and that has to be weighing on the players' minds as they go through their pregame stretching exercises. Oh, did I mention the rumor that Joe Gibbs was actually kidnapped by space aliens and that his brain was replaced by Richie Kotite's? Yeah, well that too... :confused: __________________ The Sports Curmudgeon www.sportscurmudgeon.com But don't get me wrong, I love sports...

10-05-2004, 07:10 PM	#46
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,464	I agree CC, this team could easily be 4-0. Turnovers have absolutely killed them (and a few bad calls against Dallas).

10-05-2004, 07:36 PM	#47
CrazyCanuck Serenity Now Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 2,008	Ya I tried not to blame the penalties but that Dallas game was a joke. In our home park no less! PS - To the NFL - please don't fine a guy (Roy Williams) if you're not gonna throw the flag when it counts!

10-05-2004, 10:40 PM	#53
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,553	SC, you forgot jimoh and our new superstar, ryan clark.... how dare you.

10-05-2004, 10:42 PM	#54
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,464	SC with a classic post

10-05-2004, 10:46 PM	#55
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 41 Posts: 8,341	The over-inflation of these posts is incrediable. I don't think giving Ramsey a chance is too much of a stretch or a reasonable thing to try. I don't think Portis should be benched, nor do I think Coles should sit down unless he has a real medical problem that needs either rest or surgery. That doesn't mean that there aren't problems about the Redskins. Let's all act like Matty. Hey guys, we're 4-0, playing flawless football. Superbowl here we come!

10-05-2004, 11:14 PM	#56
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,464	Daseal, I'm well aware that the Redskins have their share of problems right now. I guess I'm just staying a bit more patient than others. But I haven't held back in handing out criticism of the team, I've said Portis isn't getting it done, Gardner is inconsistent, Ramsey isn't ready, Brunell isn't playing great, there have been gaffes in playcalling and time mgmt, etc. I'm just saying let's try to stay level-headed about things. Cutting guys, benching them, firing people, etc., I mean c'mon, even Dan Snyder isn't this impatient or crazy.

10-05-2004, 11:52 PM	#60
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 45 Posts: 8,317	I do remember the Gibbs era and so I do have a TON of hope left in me. I think Gibbs will turn this thing around by the middle of the season (Week 8 or so). I also think that Gibbs can turn this thing around with Brunell at the helm. HOWEVER, I do remember the Norv, Marty, and Steve eras quite well. I also do not believe that Brunell is our guy. I say let the ship get righted with Ramsey at the helm. Let Gibbs and Ramsey turn this around together. After all, Ramsey AND Gibbs are our long term solution, right? We're going to have to teach Ramsey sometime (unless you plan on keeping him on the bench) and I think that time is now while Gibbs is learning.

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